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Feaster gave Ramo $5.5M. He'll play 80+ games over the next two years regardless, Feaster's job is dependant upon it. At least half the games. Watch for it.
It would have been nice to hear we were at least in the equation when Bernier, Bishop etc were available.
Feaster's unorthodox methods of trying to fill holes I hope are going to be squashed by Burke in the future.
IMO, it does look like he hung his hat on Ramo to replace Kiprusoff.
I do appreciate the 'glut' of prospect goalies, but unfortunately, I think Ramo is currently a prospect under an unprospect-like contract.
Say what you like about JMac, but he deserves some credit for coming up with some late point-earning saves that you need your goalie to be able to do.
Some have implied the Flames rolled in spite of him, and that isn't really true. A weak goal here and there is only relevent when it is why we lost. That hasn't happenened.
You know he's helping when Hrudey laughs at him and says, "but he's making the saves".
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The Flames are one of the top offensive teams in the NHL right now. That is why they are getting points. Last night wasn't any different. I thought the Flames won in spite of goal tending. Mac struggled handling the puck along the boards all night. One ended up in our net. He gave up some really bad rebounds. The goals he did let in were stoppable.
I am not saying he was horrible. But he wasn't good either. He has had one really good game. That was against Montreal. The other three games weren't very good. It shows up in his stats.
I understand the Flames don't want to mess with the success they are having. But the Flames played well in front of Ramo as well. If they are so fragile that they will only play well in front of MacDonald than we are in real trouble anyway. It is in the best interest of the franchise (present and future) to see what they have in Ramo.
there's plenty of time for that kehatch. There is little point in it being a #1 priority to throw Ramo to the wolves. You've gotta be patient man, Ramo will get his chance. For now, while we are having success, it's beneficial to let Ramo watch the pace for a few games and work things out in practice with the goalie coaches.
One thing that has always killed us in the past is zero patience. JMac is buying Ramo an extended training camp to adjust to a new league, hopefully it'll be a good thing.
You're creating a controversy that shouldn't exist, it's a very long year, be patient!!
The goalie coaching reports to Hartley and we have to give them some latitude, Ramo will get his chance, guaranteed.
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I'm in the "why play Ramo?" camp.
Go with the hot hand, it's a long year. Don't treat 5 games as giving up on Ramo. That's silly.
Mic's running with it, what kind of message are you sending him to change up now?
Ramo gets some "watch" time. Win/Win situation.
Roll with what's working until it doesn't.
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Hoping the current 'tenders the Flames have at this moment not having good years is a little shallow. Having an opinion that the Flames are in the market for a goalie isn't a reason to wish a bad season on any of the 3 backstoppers. Promising goalie prospects in the system or not.
So what if Ramo ends up playing lights out, and the development path he took in the KHL was just the ticket he needed? What then? We trade him because Feaster has some faith in the kid? Or because he's not your favorite?
What? I meant the goalies the Flames didn't get...hence "the other guys"...
Now that you're out of context, ummm...
And I don't really hope for them to have bad years either...just in case.
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We only have to look north to see what goaltending does for a rebuild...
I kinda wish management would get a little more desperate about it.
While I agree about Gillies, it's not the position I want to see us slide at and pray a saviour is coming.
Watching Lindback, Bishop and Bernier go elsewhere makes me scratch my head.
I hate to mention it, but Bobrovsky near single-handedly put Columbus on the map. Who saw that coming?
The move for Ramo, the subtler move for Berra, I don't know, it's all a little off the charts for me. Joey MacDonald picked up on waivers from Detroit for a "backup"... I don't know....it's weak.
The position is dire, no foresight to Kipper leaving, outside of Feaster's love-in for Ramo.
I hope the other guys I mentioned aren't good this year, because we were definitely in the market imho.
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I think we've got quite a bit to worry about, I'm not ready to say Ramo has emerged as the starter.
I see more of a 1A and a 1B scenario emerging. MacDonald has looked more the 1 than Ramo, who I think needs to adjust a bit to how small the ice actually is by comparison, more plays develop faster is the constant change vs the K.
Berra's holding the cards though, good goalie to have in the system compliments of JBo.
And while saying we have quite a bit to worry about, I mean in the here and now. I think our stable is looking better than ever at the position.
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He's not really getting sent down to the A, he's getting sent up to the A from SM Liiga. If the Flames aren't serious about developing him here, they should leave him in SM Liiga to let him develop there.
If you clog up your development system with every 27 year old "best goalie not in the NHL", you're not going to get any successful young prospects out of that system.
How is he supposed to prove he can play well consistently if he's not played consistently?
The Flames have lost Soo many good prospects to this paradox.
I realize you're right on the "sent up" part.
I think everyone was handing the AHL starter to Irving last year though, and look at what happened.
Ortio gets his starts when he shows the coaches that his fundamentals are sound and his mechanics are sharp.
The paradox has many sides. When guys don't make it and come back strong elsewhere, it isn't always a "Flames failed".
I'll give that occasions arise when coaching missed something, but it is on the player too, and I think many times it comes down to a drastic wake up call for some players, where they look in the mirror and see they can't slough off the advice anymore and they're career is in jeopardy. Some rise to the occasion, some don't.
I'm not worried about Ortio vs other goalies, and hope he isn't either. He has NHL-quality tending coaches, and I'm certain they'll do what's right for each goalie based on skillsets they have and skillsets to work on.
They'll go with the guy that gives them the best chance to win, if it's Ortio, good on him.
If it's not, he has to work his butt off and prove he'll be that guy.
All of the diatribe is "no free passes".
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oh gosh, lol
We'll see soon enough. If your theory holds and they send the worst one of Jmac, Berra, and Ramo down, it might just be okay.
But if your theory held, I'm not so sure they'd have $2.75 million contracts yet.
That's good and well, but when you get sent down to the A, you have to show your salt or you won't play. Irving was an example of that.
To protect a salary, that's a lot of people in the org you'll piss off along the way, and you'll get called on it.
Burke is the POHO, I think playing agendas is over.
I liked what I saw of Ortio, but doing it consistently has to happen for him, he has some proving to do, as do all of our 'tenders.
To imply a contract will get in the way of what's best for the team, I'd go with no due to the addition of Burke.
Joey MacDonald kind of makes me wanna cheer for him. "This is it Joey, Detroit waived you". I can get behind a guy for circumstance.
If he doesn't play lights out here, I'm thinking NHL career on the outs.
I find it intriguing, can MacDonald step up and be extremely valuable?
As a starter I mean....
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Ortio's performance tonight was, gulp, holy crap.
Good net coverage for the puck to hit him, but wow, the wide open slot slapshot.
The post to post skate to skate.
In case anyone's too shy to mention it, that wasn't a lucky performance.
He was on every puck and every move, all game long.
That was skill, not good fortune.
I'm left with wow.
He was scary good, even his rebound control was good with a very good Horvat annoying him.
He owned this one, no denying that.
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I think it's fair to say Ramo is a wild-card, Kiprusoff wasn't near as much a wildcard.
Smaller ice is one thing, but the talent level in the NHL is far greater than the KHL.
Ramo is Feaster's baby, he's on a limb on this one because this has been his big plan to overcome the loss of Kipper, which has been coming down the pike long enough to make changes.
His change is Ramo alone, as prospects are just that, and MacDonald couldn't hold a job in Detroit on a much better team.
We'll find out soon if this dipping into the KHL has been a bad move all along, of course I sure hope it hasn't.
I'm a little leery though.
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I firmly agree.
Stats be damned, if you're winning...errr giving us a chance to win with this roster, that's all that matters at the end of the day.
I don't get the, "ditch jmac" for the 1a and 1b.
JMac is backup $$$, he's not fighting the starter spot.
The team tends to play for him, like they never did for Kiprusoff, it's like a parallel universe. Enter Ramo, and the team really stepped up, like they never did for anyone else.
It's Hartley's job, and I like the way he's rolled. Ramo's had the opportunity to observe and absorb the new league for a handful of games.
As far as I'm concerned, that's ideal. JMac afforded him, and us, that.