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there is a difference between knowing someone was involved and evidence required to proceed with charges.

I have approved mental health leaves at my work. I’m very familiar with how it works. all I will say is I’ve know for some time that Dube was involved and that if charges were filled he’d be named. So sure if you want to believe the flames or the league didn’t know be my guest but I won’t. This has not been a well kept secret. but at no point did I blame the flames or the nhl because I don’t. I believe all 5 of them should get their day in court and even if I heard he was involved I would not advocate cutting or burying a player until the legal process played out. I just don’t like Seravelli trying to push this angle that the clubs were totally taken aback by this. Just furthers a culture that should want to change itself.

Frank has been really off on this one and honestly he's really starting to hurt his credibility with me. Trying to absolve the teams of this is a bad look. This has been talked about in the hockey world for some time and the names that are being charged have not exactly been kept quiet. I don't doubt at all that players were told by the counsel not to say anything but that doesn't mean the clubs didn't know.

I don't think whether or not he is under the care of mental health professionals matters in this case. It's pretty clear now, and was strongly suspected at the time, that the reason he needed to step away were these charges. I'm not suggesting the Flames lied but they wondered into a place I don't think they should have. for a few days the storyline was "good on the Flames" and that shouldn't have been the case.

The Flames should have to answer to, and be held accountable for, trying to spin this as them looking out for Dube's mental health. Was questionable when it happened and looks terrible now. Especially trying to time it with Kylington's arrival.

really surprised on DiSimone not disappointed losing either guy though.

Full amount yes. Looks like Dube is off the roster (so they gain a roster spot)but he still counts against the cap. I would be very surprised if the nhl would grant the flames LTIR in this situation. not to get ahead of things but a suspension, if it gets there, would remove his cap hit as suspended players don’t count.

Still can't figure out why Osterle appears to have fans in this organization. I won't be shocked if Ruzicka is claimed but I expect him to clear

Looks like the dots are fully connected on this. 5 players now have taken indefinite leaves coinciding with this report that they will need to report for charges. I'll withhold anything else until it becomes official but really hard to see this as just a coincidence. Going to be very disappointing if the Flames tried to spin this into a mental health thing if the root cause is something different.

Think the dots are fully connected on this one. There is your 5 of 5.

Dots continue to connect on this one. Both of these dropped today

I think if the Flames can they are going to try and throw Ruzicka into a deal for some depth elsewhere. I doubt you can get anything for him on his own but I could see a team wanting the depth as a throw in. I don't think they see a future for him here and I get it. I don't think he is an NHLer.

This is where I am. I just don't see the details you want to see in Ruzicka's game at this point in his career especially when he doesn't have the puck. I agree he is trying I just don't think he has very good details about his game so he gets on the wrong side of the play too often. I'm not surprised he keeps coming out because what does he give you? A good shot when he's going yes but outside of that he doesn't give you much.

That appears to be a mistake in reporting. Based on everything i've seen Reaves is on IR NOT LTIR. The Leafs are not saving any money on his contract they are just using the roster space

Felt like the NHL was doing a lot of good things several years ago but they are descending back into joke status amongst the major professional sports. If a player does something serious enough to warrant his contract being voided how in the hell can he be free to sign for another team only months later? Just a brutal look for the league. I mean it's the OIlers so not surprised at all they would stoop to this level but it's more of a joke that the league allows this. Just no standard at all.

Pretty familiar script. Flames play solid but they are just not good enough and don’t have the top end talent you need to win games like this.

The oilers are just so much more skilled than the flames. Puck movement and skating is easy for them, for the flames stringing together 3 passes is a challenge.

I think it's honestly as simple as Duehr played over his head last year. That level of scoring he hasn't done at any level so it was a real shock to see him do it at the NHL level. So then your left with a player who need to bring it 100% every single night to be effective and that's really tough to maintain. I don't think we should be that surprised by this move and I don't think fault needs to be found. I'll be very surprised if he is claimed. Pretty much all clubs have multiple players like Duehr in their system.

Not really. They could have someone up from the A pretty quick if they needed someone. I agree they likely won't want to run with 12 for long though. Why not send down a D? They can't. Gilbert is heading to IR (and is hurt) so they are running at 6. Kylington's LTIR conditioning loan "should" be coming to an end soon but could be flipped to a regular conditioning loan but that would require him to go on the active roster. That would be where this move could be related to Kylington. But it was me speculating. Looks like Gilbert went on IR shortly after they put Duehr on waivers.

Unfortunate turn of events for Duehr after being so good in his role last year but from the start he hasnt been able to replicate that type of game. Hopefully a stint in the A can help him get some confidence. I don't think your going to see Coronato called up until they can get him in a top 6 spot. I don't think Huska plays the 4th line enough for me to think putting Coronato there is a good idea. This might also be related to Kylington.

If he was being held out for a trade the Flames wouldn't be able to us an emergency recall to get Wolf up here, which they did. So the Flames risk a cap violation if that was their plan. Unlikely they would do that IMO.

Comment wasn't directed to anyone here and wasn't meant to be taking seriously. Skepticism of any move is fine but this one came with some flat out hatred and vitriol which I thought was excessive. But again not so much here just generally.

interesting that now that he is close to coming back he is "day to day" with an injury. Probably some gaming of the system going on there

I’d be interested in trying it but in the AHL Zary played a lot on the wing. Mind you there were good centers there but the flames didn’t seem intentional about him playing center. Always made me think they don’t necessarily see him as a center long term, which I can understand

Tyler Toffoli - 16G 29 Pts in 39 Games Sharangovich - 17G 30pts in 42 Games Flames pro scouting with a rare win here and certainly I think Conroy is owed an apology by many. IMO he's been their best player the last month and change. Think they've have a very good 2nd line forward here who can do a little bit of everything. I wasn't super familiar with his game but i've been impressed all year. Sure first week or so was rough but even then you saw a lot of intelligence, footspeed and work ethic you knew he'd eventually get it. Fun player to have.