conundrumed Posted November 8, 2021 Report Share Posted November 8, 2021 My endless love for Dube continues. Tried to use my initial thread from '19 but it's archived. Still just 23 and getting better. I just knew this is a player that Sutter will love. https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/say-what-its-a-good-challenge/c-327652874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 8, 2021 Report Share Posted November 8, 2021 My only concern with Dube is that he needs to be positive in his FO%. The upside to that is that if he does become a >50% guy, then we have more options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 14 hours ago, travel_dude said: My only concern with Dube is that he needs to be positive in his FO%. The upside to that is that if he does become a >50% guy, then we have more options. FO% can be a little overrated imho. Does it really equate to puck possession? I think it doesn't more often than not. The Dube-Mangia pairing doesn't seem to have a problem with possession. They're fast and dangerous. If you're going to have sub-par fo%, the fast and dangerous line is a good place to have it. They don't seem to have a problem with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sak22 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 9 hours ago, conundrumed said: FO% can be a little overrated imho. Does it really equate to puck possession? I think it doesn't more often than not. The Dube-Mangia pairing doesn't seem to have a problem with possession. They're fast and dangerous. If you're going to have sub-par fo%, the fast and dangerous line is a good place to have it. They don't seem to have a problem with it. This year Dube's at 48.5% so far, that is the same as Backlund's career numbers, Backlund's had great possession metrics for the better part of his career and Dube's this year are excellent as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 10 hours ago, conundrumed said: FO% can be a little overrated imho. Does it really equate to puck possession? I think it doesn't more often than not. The Dube-Mangia pairing doesn't seem to have a problem with possession. They're fast and dangerous. If you're going to have sub-par fo%, the fast and dangerous line is a good place to have it. They don't seem to have a problem with it. At home, we can shelter Dube. Give him plum starts. On the road, they will face top 6 lines. Tonight is dem Sharks. They can be easy to play or brutal. Players to look out for: Couture, Hertyl, Cogliano and Burns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted November 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, travel_dude said: At home, we can shelter Dube. Give him plum starts. On the road, they will face top 6 lines. Tonight is dem Sharks. They can be easy to play or brutal. Players to look out for: Couture, Hertyl, Cogliano and Burns They're pretty Covid-ravaged so hopefully we jump all over them early and often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted November 9, 2021 Report Share Posted November 9, 2021 Dube has been pretty solid this season. My biggest complaint of him is when he's on the sideboards on the PP. He tries way too many risky/low percentage passes that gets turned over. He needs to be more patient and manage the puck better. Other than that, he's been great 5-on-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted November 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Should I revert the title back to, Dillon Dube - Winger?😪 Not a fan of the change unless it was going to be Mony centering the speedsters. If you HAVE to split Mang-Dube... JG-Lind-Mangia Tkachuk-Mony-Coleman Dube-Backlund-Pitlick Lucic-Richardson-Lewis Tkachuk is deathly slow. Give JG an equal skater. Will Duehr ever get a sniff or his he just a warm body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 5 hours ago, conundrumed said: Should I revert the title back to, Dillon Dube - Winger?😪 Not a fan of the change unless it was going to be Mony centering the speedsters. If you HAVE to split Mang-Dube... JG-Lind-Mangia Tkachuk-Mony-Coleman Dube-Backlund-Pitlick Lucic-Richardson-Lewis Tkachuk is deathly slow. Give JG an equal skater. Will Duehr ever get a sniff or his he just a warm body? Yeah, I figured it was going to be Mange-Monahan-Dube. We bring in Coleman and move players to RW so he can play LW? Weird, he should be the one doing that. Have to agree about Tkachuk. His passes are blind, but Monahan seems to be able to anticipate them. He skates like he's wearing rubber boots. I would be fine with your lines. Or: JG-Lind-Mangia Tkachuk-Mony-Dube Coleman-Backlund-Pitlick Lucic-Richardson-Lewis/Duehr I like Mangiapane in the slot; someone actually able to feed him would help. Dube on RW has worked and I think he could add some speed and mesh with Monahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 19 hours ago, travel_dude said: Yeah, I figured it was going to be Mange-Monahan-Dube. We bring in Coleman and move players to RW so he can play LW? Weird, he should be the one doing that. Have to agree about Tkachuk. His passes are blind, but Monahan seems to be able to anticipate them. He skates like he's wearing rubber boots. I would be fine with your lines. Or: JG-Lind-Mangia Tkachuk-Mony-Dube Coleman-Backlund-Pitlick Lucic-Richardson-Lewis/Duehr I like Mangiapane in the slot; someone actually able to feed him would help. Dube on RW has worked and I think he could add some speed and mesh with Monahan. Yup those are really good lines, I think Tachuck would mesh very well with Monahan and Dube would add a speed element to them. I think, Monahan and Gaudreau are probably still a great duo, it’s a matter of who would fit with them and if there would be enough fire power on the other lines. That has been the major issue shut Monahan and Gaudreu down and that’s all they wrote… I Still think if they were paired together, they would have a lot more success, under Sutter…I know the past few years they were contained but with that I think Sutter has the team a lot tighter on Defense and with Tachuck seemingly having some good chemistry with Lindholm at Ctr there are a few combos that could and probably should be tried over this season… Gaudreau/Monahan/Coleman Gaudreau/Monahan/Dube Gaudreau/Monahan/Pitlick Tkacuck/Lindholm/Dube Tkacuck/Lindholm/Coleman Tkacuck/Lindholm/Pitlick Manji/Backlund/Coleman Manji/Backlund/Dube Manji/Backlund/Pitlick Lucic/Richardson/Lewis Lucic/Richardson/Duehr i know it’s kinda the same as the past but with a few twists, Ctr and LW pairs stay the same with some chemistry we have seen already…if I were a betting man the line combos that would probably be best: Gaudreau/Monahan/Coleman Tkacuck/Lindholm/Pitlick or Dube Manji/Backlund/Dube or Pitlick Licic/Richardson/Duher I think this would, in time be a hard lineup to play against, but only if… Sutter sticks with playing them all with even mins (rolling all 4 lines) by having a line just for crash and bang or just a shutdown line…pretty much the way he’s been doing it now but with lines like above…I say this cause currently, we seem to be seeing a bit of a similar issue if the top line gets cold or shutdown aka Gaudreau/Lindholm/Tkacuck the team seems to fall flat…but with having the LW/Ctr pairs teams would need to try and shut down 3 lines cause Manji/Dube and Backlund can score. the only other thing that would be a HUGE improvement would be if we could land a top 6 RW thats the one MAJOR thing BT has really failed to address and has been a huge struggle for every coach to offset..I mean it’s had its hidden gems where guys like Lindholm have been successful but then there is a hole at Ctr which would fine if we still had Bennet but we don’t…so that RW weakness is even more exposed…anyway, hopefully they can play a respectable game through the season and at some point BT manages a trade or two for some proven (not vet, over 30 guys) but proven RW’s…two would be ideal, power forward types that can skate! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 5 hours ago, MP5029 said: he only other thing that would be a HUGE improvement would be if we could land a top 6 RW thats the one MAJOR thing BT has really failed to address and has been a huge struggle for every coach to offset..I mean it’s had its hidden gems where guys like Lindholm have been successful but then there is a hole at Ctr which would fine if we still had Bennet but we don’t…so that RW weakness is even more exposed…anyway, hopefully they can play a respectable game through the season and at some point BT manages a trade or two for some proven (not vet, over 30 guys) but proven RW’s…two would be ideal, power forward types that can skate! Pick your poison. Lindholm at C gives us depth at C, but we lose our best RW. Lindholm at RW gives us a top 6 RW, but we lose that top C. Monahan has not been playing (yet) as a top C. Dube could be a great #2, but no RW for him. I'm beginning to wonder if we need Tarasenko. Big power forwards that can shoot. Not sure how we make the deal, other than Lucic and Valimaki foing the other way. Yje prize for them is Valimaki, who would get the reps there (and we would be sad). Monahan maybe, but then we are down to Dube at C. Would this work, assuming Monahan goes? Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tarasenko Mangiapane-Dube-Tkachuk Coleman-Backlund-Duehr Lucic-Richardson/Lewis-Pitlick TBH, I am not really impressed with the 4th line. Lucic has been good in stretches. Pitlick is a good defensive guy, but can't seem to break the goose egg. Richardson seems to be playing the right way, but he seems at times to kill offense. If we were to move Lucic and Val for Tank, then we have better depth at C. Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tarasenko Mangiapane-Monahan-Tkachuk Dube-Backlund-Coleman Duehr-Richardson/Lewis-Pitlick It makes the cap harder to manage next season, but it gives us time to get back the scoring Moneyhands. The loss of Valimaki is tough, but we cyrrently don't have a spot for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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