Fire Feaster!

[cross16]

I don't really agree with your reference to the last rebuild, which wasn't really even a rebuild because we pushed hard every year for the playoffs only to come up short year after year. We never had a single year where we were in the top 5 draft picks.

Anyway, discretionary income in this city and province has gone up significantly over the past 15 years. If you ask me, there was a general lack of interest in hockey at the larger level in this city until 04. I remember in 1997, the flyers rolled into town and we had nearly 2000 seats empty. It was an HNIC game. We're talking lindros and leclair in their primes. It would be like The pens or hawks coming in to town today...you wouldnt be able to find a ticket. The way the game is promoted and the way the corporate world uses pro sports as anintegral part of their marketing strategies, I don't think a rebuild would even put a dent in revenues, especially considering how the flames have cornered and monopolized the sports market in this city. In fact a rebuild would spawn a lot interest and intrigue. Just look up north, in the past 13 years, the oilers have made the playoffs three times. Yet they're selling out every game.

 

It was a rebuild no question they were trying to build around that youth. However there is a major difference from there to now and that they did the Oiler style and tried to just rely on those young guns and didn't really have the assets or the money to add additional pieces and with the dollar the way it was and the lack of any cost certainty there was no way they were going to be able to acquire players to play along side the young guys. Now, they can rebuild around youth but also have the assets and money to go out and get another Hudler/Wideman style signing to assist them.

 

I do agree with your 2nd point 100%. If the ownership is sitting on that philosopy and using the idea that fans won't show up if they did a rebuild I think they are very sorely mistaken and will find out the hard way because I think until fans see some positive around the future they are going to stop showing up.

[DL44]

It was a rebuild no question they were trying to build around that youth. However there is a major difference from there to now and that they did the Oiler style and tried to just rely on those young guns and didn't really have the assets or the money to add additional pieces and with the dollar the way it was and the lack of any cost certainty there was no way they were going to be able to acquire players to play along side the young guys. Now, they can rebuild around youth but also have the assets and money to go out and get another Hudler/Wideman style signing to assist them.

 

I do agree with your 2nd point 100%. If the ownership is sitting on that philosopy and using the idea that fans won't show up if they did a rebuild I think they are very sorely mistaken and will find out the hard way because I think until fans see some positive around the future they are going to stop showing up.

 

Do you really see that realistically happening tho?

I don't. All fans across Canada are sheep for hockey now. I don't see any of their sellout streaks coming to an end anytime soon. 

But overall i do agree... if that is the reason that management is afraid to make 'face of the franchse' changes, then they are out of touch with present trends. 2 yrs of sellout support for a team out of the playoffs insn't enough for em?

 

There is the other side of the coin tho... what have they promise those players to sign here... very likely a promise to produce a team that will compete. Like the Oilers who can't attract elbowing for UFA's, Calgary will end up in the same boat if they go that route.  If they stay the course, they'll be able sell players on the potential that they may be the player to get em over the hump....

 

I don't know... Calgary just has to hope the few prospects they have turn out to help supplement the roster soon, and then continue to attract UFA help...  Since its clear the Flames aren't going down the pure rebuild route.

 

And you know what... they just may not have to go that route... i.e. Backlund turning ou, Brodie turning outt... Sven a yr away,  It's a start...

 

What the hell happened to Howse?

[geos]

What the hell happened to Howse?

 

He's not really panning out in the AHL. Probably toast.

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[cross16]

Do you really see that realistically happening tho?

I don't. All fans across Canada are sheep for hockey now. I don't see any of their sellout streaks coming to an end anytime soon. 

But overall i do agree... if that is the reason that management is afraid to make 'face of the franchse' changes, then they are out of touch with present trends. 2 yrs of sellout support for a team out of the playoffs insn't enough for em?

 

There is the other side of the coin tho... what have they promise those players to sign here... very likely a promise to produce a team that will compete. Like the Oilers who can't attract navajo fry bread for UFA's, Calgary will end up in the same boat if they go that route.  If they stay the course, they'll be able sell players on the potential that they may be the player to get em over the hump....

 

I don't know... Calgary just has to hope the few prospects they have turn out to help supplement the roster soon, and then continue to attract UFA help...  Since its clear the Flames aren't going down the pure rebuild route.

 

And you know what... they just may not have to go that route... i.e. Backlund turning ou, Brodie turning outt... Sven a yr away,  It's a start...

 

What the hell happened to Howse?

 

Yes i should clarify that I don't think fans are going to stop showing up and that they will suddenly see their sellout streak end, but what I meant to say was I actually think the Flames have a bigger risk to avoid rebuilding than they do if they don't rebuild. I think the fan base is becoming desperate for change and if they don't see it and it's just the status quo it's not going to fly.

 

It's a start for sure and as i've said several times I don't think a full on blow it up style rebuild is needed. I do think a rebuild were a few players are dealt, cap space created, gain 3-5 more prospects top propsects is the way to go. Don't need to trade or get rid of everythong there are some good supplemntary pieces there.

[Carty]

What the hell happened to Howse?

He's not really panning out in the AHL. Probably toast.

 

He was playing for the Utah Grizzlies in the ECHL, then he got recalled back to the Heat http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=646813 and then yesterday was reassigned back to the Grizzlies...   http://www.abbotsfordheat.com/news/releases/index.html?article_id=455

[robrob74]

Yes i should clarify that I don't think fans are going to stop showing up and that they will suddenly see their sellout streak end, but what I meant to say was I actually think the Flames have a bigger risk to avoid rebuilding than they do if they don't rebuild. I think the fan base is becoming desperate for change and if they don't see it and it's just the status quo it's not going to fly.

 

It's a start for sure and as i've said several times I don't think a full on blow it up style rebuild is needed. I do think a rebuild were a few players are dealt, cap space created, gain 3-5 more prospects top propsects is the way to go. Don't need to trade or get rid of everythong there are some good supplemntary pieces there.

 

Something I think can happen. Do a slight fire-sale and get rid of a bunch of players for picks. Keep the signed players we signed last summer. Sign a few FA's next summer, pick high in the draft and restock, retool. I was listening to the Morning Show, and I am finally on board and I've been against rebuild for so long. 

After the LA and Anaheim games, I am in the mind-set of rebuild, just not a full rebuild. Ownership is happy to spend to the Cap. I don't get it because they're okay to give millions to ice a mediocre product. The thing that is scary is, how often do the Flames sign the high end FA's? 

 

Either way, it's like they said this morning on the Show, we're one month away from MacKinnon or any 1st line Center we'd be interested in drafting. Anyway, we need more and late 1st round picks may not cut it as the farther away from the top picks you get, the more of a gamble you're taking. 

 

I guess what I am saying is, if you're going to lose 3, win 2, lose 2 win 2, lose a few in OT, win 1, lose a few and win a few, it's just not cutting it for me from a team that's always done what it's done. You don't get change unless you're willing to change and it has been the same ole same ole which as a fan is frustrating. 

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[Carty]

Looks like Feaster was at the Leafs game last night...   One has to wonder why?

 

Hopefully if he is considering a move, it won't be yet another boneheaded trade with Toronto that Leaf fans laugh at and causes Flames fans to wonder exactly wtf our GM was thinking...

 

The Flames have not fully recovered from the one sided Phaneuf trade, and we all remember the Gilmour trade...

 

IF Feaster makes a move, I have to wonder if it will finally be a trade with the Leafs that the actually improves the Flames, or will it be one that does more damage than good yet again, and cripples the team thus spelling the end of Feaster's tenure in Calgary...

[SKscout]

I don't see what possible trade could happen with the Leafs that actually addresses a need we have AND makes sense for them.

 

For once they are playing really well and aren't likely to give up any of the center pieces AND they are playing well so aren't likely to draft high besides you don't need to be at their game to take a first or second rounder.

 

I don't give a two elbowings about trading Bobby crapnugget plugger of Jimmy turdbucket plugger and I don't see anything from Toronto that they would be willing to do that doesn't look like that.

[The_People1]

Looks like Feaster was at the Leafs game last night...   One has to wonder why?

 

Hopefully if he is considering a move, it won't be yet another boneheaded trade with Toronto that Leaf fans laugh at and causes Flames fans to wonder exactly wtf our GM was thinking...

 

The Flames have not fully recovered from the one sided Phaneuf trade, and we all remember the Gilmour trade...

 

IF Feaster makes a move, I have to wonder if it will finally be a trade with the Leafs that the actually improves the Flames, or will it be one that does more damage than good yet again, and cripples the team thus spelling the end of Feaster's tenure in Calgary...

 

Maybe we can get Phaneuf for Stajan. 

[Carty]

Maybe we can get Phaneuf for Stajan. 

 

add Kadri and heck, I'd even thrown in Babchuk and Comeau...      

[GoldenHorseshoe]

Looks like Feaster was at the Leafs game last night...   One has to wonder why?

...

Every GM was at the Leafs game last night. GM meetings were in Toronto this week.

[Carty]

Every GM was at the Leafs game last night. GM meetings were in Toronto this week.

 

I think we all know the meeting was in Toronto yesterday from 10 a.m. until approximately 5 p.m. ET...

 

But where did you hear that all 30 GM's attended the game?

[The_People1]

I think we all know the meeting was in Toronto yesterday from 10 a.m. until approximately 5 p.m. ET...

 

But where did you hear that all 30 GM's attended the game?

 

Well, the Leafs were playing the Lightning yesterday.  If Feaster is not at the Leafs game tonight, then maybe he was only scouting the Lightning.

[Carty]

Well, the Leafs were playing the Lightning yesterday.  If Feaster is not at the Leafs game tonight, then maybe he was only scouting the Lightning.

 

That is true, time will tell I guess...   You've probably heard/seen the same rumours of the possibility of Kipper going to Toronto (I hope not, same for Chicago), amongst the myriad of other trade rumours flying around lately...  "Chicago is rumoured to be sniffing around. Toronto, too" http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/hockey/calgary-flames/papa+Miikka+Kiprusoff+brushes+trade+rumours/8129212/story.html

 

For the next two weeks I am going to be curious about what, if anything, Feaster does for making some moves...   We all know he should/has to...   It's just a matter of who does/doesn't get moved and if/when it happens...

[zima]

Would it be crazy to think it was a plan between Col and Cal to get ROR back in the game . In other words is it possible that owners minipulated this senario to get ROR back to playing with Col ? just a thought I know this sounds Crazy but seems Col sure jumped on signing ROR next Day right?

[DirtyDeeds]

Would it be crazy to think it was a plan between Col and Cal to get ROR back in the game . In other words is it possible that owners minipulated this senario to get ROR back to playing with Col ? just a thought I know this sounds Crazy but seems Col sure jumped on signing ROR next Day right?

No, I doubt that very much. Flames had nothing to gain from helping Colorado out. At least nothing visible to gain.

 

As for Fire Feaster I don't know if he is the right man for the Flames from the point of view that the direction of the team seems to be invisible. I see a collection of small skilled players who are unable to get it done. Why? Take your pick:

 

-Poor D play.

-Inferior goaltending.

-Overall small team easy to push around.

-I don't see the professionalism here a club full of vets should have.

 

I am pretty sure that Feaster is pretty much the Owners yes man, so honestly I don't see him able to change things of importance. Then again you replace Feaster, ask yourself what do you replace him with? another yes man that will just do the Owners bidding? Too many lawyers and marketers seasoning this stew and not enough cooks with experience.

[cross16]

No, I doubt that very much. Flames had nothing to gain from helping Colorado out. At least nothing visible to gain.

 

As for Fire Feaster I don't know if he is the right man for the Flames from the point of view that the direction of the team seems to be invisible. I see a collection of small skilled players who are unable to get it done. Why? Take your pick:

 

-Poor D play.

-Inferior goaltending.

-Overall small team easy to push around.

-I don't see the professionalism here a club full of vets should have.

 

I am pretty sure that Feaster is pretty much the Owners yes man, so honestly I don't see him able to change things of importance. Then again you replace Feaster, ask yourself what do you replace him with? another yes man that will just do the Owners bidding? Too many lawyers and marketers seasoning this stew and not enough cooks with experience.

 

Agreed. Lots of qualified guys out there but with the rumors and suggestions of how involved King and Edwards are no one if going to want to be here. Flames need a new president more than a new GM, i'm fine if King wants to stay as part of the Flames brand but the Flames need new direction from the top of their hockey group down. Feaster isn't the right guy but I also think he's not in a very positive situation.

[Wreckening]

No, I doubt that very much. Flames had nothing to gain from helping Colorado out. At least nothing visible to gain.

 

As for Fire Feaster I don't know if he is the right man for the Flames from the point of view that the direction of the team seems to be invisible. I see a collection of small skilled players who are unable to get it done. Why? Take your pick:

 

-Poor D play.

-Inferior goaltending.

-Overall small team easy to push around.

-I don't see the professionalism here a club full of vets should have.

 

I am pretty sure that Feaster is pretty much the Owners yes man, so honestly I don't see him able to change things of importance. Then again you replace Feaster, ask yourself what do you replace him with? another yes man that will just do the Owners bidding? Too many lawyers and marketers seasoning this stew and not enough cooks with experience.

 

 

Agreed. Lots of qualified guys out there but with the rumors and suggestions of how involved King and Edwards are no one if going to want to be here. Flames need a new president more than a new GM, i'm fine if King wants to stay as part of the Flames brand but the Flames need new direction from the top of their hockey group down. Feaster isn't the right guy but I also think he's not in a very positive situation.

Well said by both of you.  This team is in a real mess from the top to the bottom.  But as long as the fans keep paying for tickets and merchandise things aren't going to change.

[tachaudh]

No, I doubt that very much. Flames had nothing to gain from helping Colorado out. At least nothing visible to gain.

 

As for Fire Feaster I don't know if he is the right man for the Flames from the point of view that the direction of the team seems to be invisible. I see a collection of small skilled players who are unable to get it done. Why? Take your pick:

 

-Poor D play.

-Inferior goaltending.

-Overall small team easy to push around.

-I don't see the professionalism here a club full of vets should have.

 

I am pretty sure that Feaster is pretty much the Owners yes man, so honestly I don't see him able to change things of importance. Then again you replace Feaster, ask yourself what do you replace him with? another yes man that will just do the Owners bidding? Too many lawyers and marketers seasoning this stew and not enough cooks with experience.

 

While that may certainly be the case, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

 

Firstly, this is a guy who resigned in Tampa due to ownership meddling. Why would he be okay with a meddlesome president and owner here and not in Tampa?

 

Secondly, Jay Feaster isn't Garth Snow. He can get a job outside of Calgary and be with a team that would be willing to allow him to set his own agenda. And even if that weren't the case, he could make more money practicing law in Pennsylvania than working as a general manager. What I'm trying to say is that he has maneuverability and leverage. People most often become yes men because they don't really have any other choice. Why would he be a yes man if he doens't have to be one?

[DirtyDeeds]

While that may certainly be the case, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.

 

Firstly, this is a guy who resigned in Tampa due to ownership meddling. Why would he be okay with a meddlesome president and owner here and not in Tampa?

 

Secondly, Jay Feaster isn't Garth Snow. He can get a job outside of Calgary and be with a team that would be willing to allow him to set his own agenda. And even if that weren't the case, he could make more money practicing law in Pennsylvania than working as a general manager. What I'm trying to say is that he has maneuverability and leverage. People most often become yes men because they don't really have any other choice. Why would he be a yes man if he doens't have to be one?

Not even near to the same deal here as there. Meddling sure, degree of meddling completely different.

"For the past two weeks I have watched from the sidelines as (vice-president of operations) Brian Lawton (and owners) Len Barrie and Oren Koules executed to perfection the gameplan they shared with us prior to the NHL draft in Ottawa," Feaster said in a release.

 

Add to that this degree of meddling:

"I had guys in Tampa who wanted to run the team and I wouldn't let them. I was hired to coach and I coached," Melrose said on The Fan 590 on Tuesday. "I wasn't playing the right guys. I was playing certain guys too much, I wasn't playing other guys enough. Every day was a constant battle.

 

Then add to that feuding Owners that both wanted to meddle with the team and team control and you get a huge difference.

The fight has gotten so ugly that the NHL had to step in and mediate some sort of peace. In all reality this feud between the two owners has seriously handicapped the team’s effort to field a winner in the upcoming NHL season. Since the two men could not agree on anything, NFL Commissioner Gary Bettman had to step in and give each owner a 60 day period to buy the other out.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/34314/feuding-owners-tampa-bay-lightning-style/#idh4mtxvH9q6lhtp.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/34314/feuding-owners-tampa-bay-lightning-style/

[senor_incendiarse]

No, I doubt that very much. Flames had nothing to gain from helping Colorado out. At least nothing visible to gain.

 

As for Fire Feaster I don't know if he is the right man for the Flames from the point of view that the direction of the team seems to be invisible. I see a collection of small skilled players who are unable to get it done. Why? Take your pick:

 

-Poor D play.

-Inferior goaltending.

-Overall small team easy to push around.

-I don't see the professionalism here a club full of vets should have.

 

I am pretty sure that Feaster is pretty much the Owners yes man, so honestly I don't see him able to change things of importance. Then again you replace Feaster, ask yourself what do you replace him with? another yes man that will just do the Owners bidding? Too many lawyers and marketers seasoning this stew and not enough cooks with experience.

I don't disagree that Edwards and King put their fair share of input into hockey ops.  But I don't believe they are completely at fault for the current on ice product.  We are where we are not because we haven't traded our superstars yet, but because in the span of '04 to '09 we have only drafted 2 current roster players.  And I don't think top management acts like Al Davis on draft day, so why blame them for atrocious drafting.