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Having solid offence on three lines would be scary-good. Minutes could be balanced better, but Engelland becomes a 7th D. I don't see him be able to play (defense) on the left side. Diaz is respectable there but Wideman or Franson gives us better one-timer options on the 3rd pair RD.
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Teams heading for the playoffs can likely afford a 1st. Wouldn't mean that much to a top team like DET. Add a good DET prospect, and it would be seen as a win for TO. They might need to send back a D to make the $$ work. Frankly I don't know. If it is us, I doubt TO trades a D for a D prospect with limited offense. More likely a forward prospect; Hanowski? Seriously, likely a guy like Klimchuk or Shore (not going anywhere).
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I am less worried that he wouldn't sign; we have dollars to spend and would give him a decent deal, Burkie is here and probably respected by Franson, and there is a future playoff team here (now or soon). Any deal could include a conditional pick if BT and BB were worried. In the long run, it would be cheaper to get him here and sign him than try to sign him in the off-season. If we were the only bidders, that deal might fly. He is a good target for teams trying to make or compete in the playoffs. Maybe LA makes a trade for him, or DET, or some other team. GlenX has to want to be traded. If he does, he may not fetch a 2nd. Ramo may not get you much. If you do trade him, you are ending the season for the AHL team.
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Watching the Oilers play PEN last night (just waiting for real hockey), Fasth had a good style against them. I don't know that Hiller would have won that game with their crappy defense. Ramo might have. I don't think you can take the start away from Hiller, because he has earned it. But sometimes you have to look at game film and match your goalie's style against the team you are playing. Ramo is more like Kipper, while Hiller is more of a rigid style, where positioning allows you the best chance. Hiller played against the Penguins last game, so it might make sense to play Ramo. Might is the big word.
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Just to clarify; The team is in Addy not Abby this year - 'dack, not 'ford
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I would have suggested Ramo start and Hiller backing up. Give the kid a break and not expect him to deliver a win in Anaheim for the first time in 10 years. There's a fine line between going with the hot hand and overplaying a rookie goalie.
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My first reaction was the same. But then I think that Smid's return just means that Spoon or Granlund has to go. With Spoon sitting until next week, I also have to wonder what is happening with the defense. Are they about to demote Diaz? Trade Smid or Russell? Sit Engelland? It just doesn't make sense to me to have a 7th D called up for injury replacement unless he plays. Sure it is just a extra body around for last minute scratches. But it isn't any way to use a farm hand that projects to be a NHL player. Goalies are even more important to manage their rotation. Ramo went cold when he sat this year for extended periods (as well as last year behind Berra). Hiller was in a 3-goalie situation last year and came out without a job. Joni just needs to play as much as possible. Sending him back to start dominating the AHL was the best move (IMHO) unless you trade Hiller or Ramo now. And if he is the backup here, he needs to play every 3rd game at minimum.
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I agree that Ortio should have been given the night off. It's not about "going with the hot hand" all the time; you have to consider the body of work he faced and spread the responsibility to the rest of the team (ie. other goalies and players). That is good, and bad. Joni was called up last year (missed the All Star game last year too). The good is that he will get a few more starts. The bad is that any losses will have a negative affect on his confidence. And, unless Hiller or Ramo is being traded, he will rotate in and out of the group of 3. Ramo is ready to play. Hiller is ready to play.
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TBH, going into the summer Ramo was the Flames #1 goalie. Hiller was signed to be part of the goalie equation, but probably wouldn't have signed if he was told he was the backup. And BT/Hartley were probably expecting a big competition for #1, which they got early on. Both goalies have tendencies that expose them and teams watch films to see them. Hiller is basically the same goalie, game in game out. He lets in softies due to minor positioning problems (loses track of the net, I think). Ramo is more like a Kipper, who will amaze you some nights and make you scream other nights. His problem is getting on a roll. With Kipper, you get a bad game and the next is solid. With Ramo, you probably don't see the next game with him in nets. Trading either of them now doesn't make sense. They have low value. And we need to see Joni finish the season strong in Addy. At TDL, unless you get an awesome return, why bother trading them. You need to see who takes you further this season and keep them next year. Trade or don't sign the other. Do it before FA to see if any team is desperate (assuming it's Hiller).
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Actually, Shore is still exempt. If he plays another game, he is eligible. I wonder if BT is keeping his options open by not playing Shore for another game.
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I hope that he is in Calgary long enough to see what he has become. Is he a 4-4-1 goalie like last year, where he looked other-worldly in stretches or is he a Ramo, who has 2 great games in a row and then hits a wall (or the wall hits him, Mr. Diaz). Ramo is ready to play, so right now we are carrying 3 goalies. I would like to see him get the start against ANA to break the curse, but maybe that is too much to ask. LA is next, so we'll see who starts. It either Ramo or Ortio; battle of the Finns.
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You say he is already playing better than Ramo. How do you see that? He gets a well-deserved shutout in the only game he has played this year in the NHL. Ramo gets b2b shutouts, but he does not deserve to play anymore? If he gets b2b shutouts and then follows it up a few more wins and I will agree with you. Until then, he is just another Flames backup that gets a win. I haven't seen enough games with Ramo in net, where the team has played well in front of him to decide what his future is here. The same goes for Ortio. Age has nothing to do with it. Making timely saves does. Hiller hasn't shown enough recently to show he is deserving of the mantle. Both he and Ramo have given up a weak goal per game.
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JJ, you are like the sun coming up in the morning. Always expected. Ramo's b2b shutouts didn't change a thing. Both Ramo's and Ortio shutouts were great, but getting past being a backup or a callup requires a lot more. And they need to win more than one of one. They need to go 4/7 at least to be considered consistent. I hope Joni has turned the corner this year. It would be nice to rely less on Hiller. I am sure Hiller is probably looking at the kid as competition (oh no, another 3 goalie situation).
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Good. Let Joni go the All Star game and Ramo get next start.
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You might get your wish after the Wings game. Ramo looks like he got concussed. Was in the quiet room and didn't come back to the bench. If he isn't ready for Friday, look for a callup to Ortio to sit on the bench.
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The only accounts that I hear of Ramo's decline are by you. If you take out the recent Flames losing streak, then he isn't playing that bad. Prior to it, he had b2b shutouts. He has played all of 15 games, and you can't even give him another 30 games before you want to send him to the scrapheap. He outplayed Ortio last season, which is why Ortio is still on the farm. Ortio has a long way to go before he will be considered even a backup on the Flames. Would love for him to become the next Kipper, but I think Ramo is a lot closer to that.
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Eat some more turkey, and go back to sleep. What has Ortio ever done in the NHL to have you dubbinh him the next great one? 9 gp, 4w/wl .893 SV%. Big deal. Ramo has a better average than that this year, even with the sub-par games he (and the team) had. Also, 2 SO. AS have starter quality goalies that have some bad runs of late, but if the team only scored 1 goal per game, how is the goalie the blames? I like our prospects as just that; prospects. They may step up big time in the next two years, or they could be like Berra. I'll go with the huys that are actually playing in the NHL until the prospects actually do something.
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Potter sent back to the AHL. Strange move, but I guess it means that Wotherspoon or Seilof is coming up, or they don't need the extra D and want to recall Poirier or Ferland. I am ok with that. I somehow doubt Smid is near to playing, but I could be wrong. No news on him other than put on IR.
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Can't just do it, unless we demote a roster player or place someone on IR. Doesn't make sense to bring up a third goalie while we have two.
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Have to say that I wasn't cringing when Engelland was on the ice. He was again making some good plays. Russell had a few gaffs close to the net, but he was ok. I don't know if Potter is any good, but Diaz is scary out there some nights. Tonight he was a bit "quieter" out there, so that isn't too bad. What can you say about Brodano? Nothing that hasn't already been said. Our top 4 D have 34, 24, 21 and 15 points. That's 94 points from the blueline. INSANE.
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I don't see how you can begin to compare Ortio at the AHL level and Ramo at the NHL level. Apples and Bananas. Unless he was called up for a run and was 4-2 then I wouldn't consider him in the same ballpark as Ramo yet.
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There. Fixed that for you. Don't get all the hate for Ramo. He may not have Hiller's quiet confidence, but how many shutouts does he have this year? He has games where he doesn't look great, but that is true of any Finn we have between the pipes. Give his some props for what he does, and just hope that Ortio can translate his game to the NHL. Gillies should turn pro next year, so we should get to actually see him play at the pro level. If he is as good as we bith think he is, he won't be long in the AHL, and will have Ortio (or Ramo or Hiller) backing him up for the NHL Flames soon enough.
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Kipper was never one to complain about the team in front of him. Hiller has shifted the blame away from himself, rightly or wrongly, at least once. McBackup ranted to the point of being sent down. I have never heard a Finnish goalie on this team blame anyone but themselves. For some reason, Finland seems to breed goalies like Cole Harbour breeds skilled centers. We have two in the system, and each one of them has a special set of skills. Whether it be Ramo or Ortio, we have some goalies that could have long NHL careers.
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There are some games that the choice was obvious; Hiller against Anaheim, Ramo against San Jose, split up B2B games. I think fans are reasonable if they see a cycle, and not think that a goalie is played too many games in a row. Ramo played 3 times after posting consecutive shutouts. Hiller had two losses in a row after posting a shutout over Carolina and then got another 5 games after that. Just don't ride a hot goalie until he cools, or leave a guy to rust. Hartley looks like a genious at times for his choices, but at some point there is a letdown in a winable game.
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TBH, I think Ortio is a few years away from being a starter in the NHL, if ever. Not to belittle his body of work, just that goalies are voodoo until they play more than 80 games. We have two start-quality goalies right now. Hartley has to find the right balance in number of starts. I don't care if he slices the total games in two, but stop running with a goalie until he loses or has a bad game. It makes the guy coming back in cold his first game, and doesn't give the guy going out a chance at redemption. What made Kipper great (ok, just one of the many things) was the ability to bounce back from a punding. He was great the game after a blowout loss. Right now, Ramo and Hiller have rust in their games when they back in. You may not agree, but I think Ramo has a long career ahead of him. He was respectable last year on a 27th place team.
