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The whole team was like that again. Ramo made the saves when he had to, aside from the goal he should've had. He looked ok most of the night, He scrambled a few times though,
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It sounds to me that the team didn't want to lose Ortio to waivers.
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None of those players deserve more ice time. Sorry, you're arguing an empty battle. The only discrepancy is Russell getting so much time. Everyone you're talking about has underperformed.
Ok, give Hamilton the minutes instead. The other team scores just as much. Backlund has been elbowing. Ortio hasn't done much either.
I think the team brought too many players to camp and didn't get the chance to gel sooner. It took them 5 games or more just to resemble a team.
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I don't think it has anything to do with who the GM prefers.
Ortio might clear now that his play has been crap.
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They waived Ramo, most likely, because they didn't want to lose Ortio on waivers. Almost everyone's consensus is that Ortio would be claimed.
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If it was just goaltending that has been the issue, but it's a team thing. Not only that, Gillies needs to get games in.
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I think you gotta leave Gillies in the AHL. He needs a lot of games to get used to the pro game.
I came to the conclusion about Ortio last year that I didn't like him. He goes down early and then is required to make glove saves a foot behind his head.
He is predictable.
I saw Kipper when he played for San Jose. They were visiting Vancouver. I sat upper deck but right behind his net for the first and third. They lost 5-3 but I remember wishing the flames had that guy. I don't feel that way with Ortio and never have.
Ortio seems positioned well enough. But his tendency to go to his knees on a windup is troubling to me. The NHL players are too good to leave the top open all the time.
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I dunno, Ramo also got a start with very little NHL roster guys on our side as well.
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Ya, that's what I noticed about Ortio, even in games he was winning last year. He goes down so quick.
Holler has been playing from his knees all the time. Once he is down, he stays there.
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Ortio probably wouldn't have done any better. Up until the last few games the team has been playing so bad that any goalie you put in there would fair the same.
How many errors resulted in goals and how many goals for have we got until recently. Simple math says as a team we weren't going to win a lot of those games.
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I would go so far as to break up the schedule into three game segments, and into period by period competitions. Put the onus on the team to win each period. If they win them, they'd win the game. Or if they go 2/3 the rest of the year, it helps their chances.
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I'd give them 3 game sets. If they run the set, keep going with them.
Or I'd play 3 games on, 2 games off... 2 Games on, 3 games off. That's if you're still trying to get one of them going. If the goalie that gets to two games on, wins them then you can run with them. But guarantee that they get the 2nd game if they lose the first.
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What do you think of our current goalie coach?
I know Burke seems to have been great for goalies for the Coyotes.
If there was a possibility of sending Ortio down for an AHL conditioning stint, it would be a good time as any. Call up Simpson as a backup, but keep Ramo in nets. I think it's an option if the goalie agrees to it. He isn't ready or comfortable, so he would likely agree to get the reps in. The other option would be to call up Gillies to do the same thing, but Gillies also needs to play.
Problem was created right out of camp. Ramo shouldn't have been waived for the sake of carrying Bollig. He was playing as good as Hiller. And Hiller should not have gotten a game as soon as Ramo was waived.
IF it was just Hiller and Ortio, or just Ramo and Ortio, do you think Ortio would still get the games? He'd still be in every other game and sitting too much, not getting into any kind of groove. Although, you look at Condon last night, or other goalies, you can't make the excuse that they've sat too long. It takes that one game to prove themselves. It's the nature of the beast that is pro hockey.
Ortio may have started the same if he was #2 and you can't just give him a string of starts and hope that he's going to get better, not at the NHL level.
I think a number of us are of the opinion that Ortio should have got a start much sooner... Waiting that long for him to finally be put in for a few games when the team is behind the 8 ball and hasn't been playing well was probably a bad idea... He looked just rattled last night and it seemed as if the pressure was getting to him...
But he got a start earlier and was in two games in relief. In this business you have to be ready to play.
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Apparently Hiller also limped off.
I guess Ramo gets called up.
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Will he work on the high shots though? Every time I've seen him play, it's exactly the way he played.
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Ortio was falling to his knees every time the NYI directed the puck at the net. The scouting report was obviously shoot high because that is what the NYI were doing. Ortio appeared to be struggling with the high shots, probably because his head was below the cross bar the majority of the time when attempting to make a save. Given the situation with the three GT's, I agree with keeping Ortio on the team but he is not our saviour, Hiller is obviously and presently the better GT.
That's what I've been saying all summer. He goes down on every shot.
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I don't think anyone is making it seem like goaltending isn't a problem, it had been the whole team to this point thus far.
They're still learning how to play NHL hockey. Everything can't go right all the time, and players go through hard times. Nearly everyone is slumping. Last year we had timely goals from random players who came from no where. It was too early to know what you got as one season sample isn't enough.
I like the feel good stories. Now it's time to prove you're not a one and done.
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But if waiving Ramo allows Treliving to recall another player, it brings in new competition into the locker room. Which may help push with renewed energy.
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The only way Ortio gets in is whether one of Ramo or Hiller are moved. I see Ortio as at best a backup this season, what there waiting for is one to separate but the both have been horrible. Actually the team as a whole have been awful.
We are now in a position of weakness in a trade involving a goalie.
I know you always want to win a trade, but right now if we got a mid range pick I would be happy. We signed Hiller as a free agent, and almost let Ramo go as one as well. So anything we get is fine. We don't need to win this trade. Getting rid of one is a win. I am torn on who, where prior to the season I sided with Ramo and wanted to trade Hiller.
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How could someone say the Flames have an issue with younger goalies? After Mike Vernon, we placed faith in a Kidd. We gave up early on Roloson, but the team was horrible by then and you can't judge good goaltending on a bad team.
Hell, I actually liked Brathwaite, Roloson, and Tabby. They weren't that great. But the team was bad.
Good goalies goalies get lit up on bad teams. Great goalies hide flaws, good teams hide flaws in goalies all the same.
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I don't think it mattered what goalie he started and I don't think it's so much about sending a "message" as much as every game is a message.
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After Pang showed the difference in styles goaltenders play, it took a bit off Ramos shoulder.
The Sedin goal on the line, Ramo was going left to right and was just getting to his post. Although I still think he didn't play well, but the whole team stunk up the joint.
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I am not against it either. I was just saying that's what I think his ceilings is as well.
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It sounds like a bottom 6, checking forward, depth for Stockton.
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As great as Brodie has been at solidifying the D, I think they need to better the team by splitting up him and Giordano. As good a pair they've been, I think splitting them stabilizes the rest.
Cross' pairings seem about right.