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Don't be sorry...you aren't wrong, but I think our goalies (Hiller and Ramo imo) have gotten off to a bad start. Goalies can face a lot of dangerous chances and a ton of shots. But they can't fall back on "team play" every time they give up 4 to 6. Even when that's correct. You still need your goalies to lead and you need them to over-perform and steal games or at least keep them close. It's the number 1 position to lead from, and it's been deflating too often for a team that needs that so far. But my point is, our goaltending is better than it has been, and it will be again. A goalie's job is to bail out mistakes and not gift any goals. They did it last year, they'll do it this year yet. Ramo and Hiller are night and day, I like that. NHL vets don't just suddenly become unworthy, just rough patches. Sometimes you need your goalies to save you from your team's horrific play, it'll be there again, I'm confident in what we have, stats be damned!! One issue(imho) I'm having, is none of our goalies feel a commitment from mgmt/coaching, so their play exudes it. Everyone says they're a different breed, I think that plays into it. e.g. Hiller not the opening night goalie, we can pretend they need to play regardless, but I believe their psyche takes a hit, personally. Ortio hanging around Ramo, I think this stuff plays on goalies.
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I still believe our goaltending isn't as bad as it has been, and with vets you've kinda got to let them play through it. I'm not saying this because Ramo had one solid game. He could lay a stinker again, but, with veteran goalies, you have to believe they can play out of t until the puck becomes a beachball again. It's hard to watch, but sometimes it's worth stepping back and saying, "I know our goaltending is better than this". I think the 3 ring circus played in their heads a bit off the hop, temperamental bunch....
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Is it safe to say BINGO? Hiller is our #1 ("a" maybe). Play Hiller, stable, chance to win. I do not want Ramo and Berra, err, Ortio running the show. Hiller plays net and mind games like an NHL goalie. I can't understand the "but he plays from his knees" attack on him. Every goalie dares you with something, but you have to put it there. He stays in his net and takes it up very well. The nux tried him short side off the hop...nothing. He's played against the Sedin's enough, that stuff matters to me. Many seem good with trading him, I'm steadfast in disagreement.
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It puts the position in turbidity, we don't need that. It's apparent already that it is. Go with the vet, give him 1st chance to fail. Play your best cards and square it up off the hop. I'm worried we're toying. As far as I'm concerned, Hiller is 1A for this season. If we trade him...I guess we'll find out.
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I believe zima's last sentence hit the nail on the head. The D was pulling too quickly in general, and Wideman and Russell in particular were not sharp. It's the 6 game new season AHL play, it'll balance out. Start your vet opening night Hartley, you have 3 goalies. If your vet gets burned, so be it. I didn't like that he started Ramo over Hiller, regardless of whatever "message" he was sending.
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He had a few tbh, the 5th was a real stinker as was the 3rd. The 1st was a blast by Hansen, hard to stop, but like the last goal he isn't sharp on his short-side which Van kept trying to expose. I keep hearing about his athleticism but what I see is cheating too much, those are 2 different things. I was surprised Hiller didn't get the nod, but we still would have lost. You take away 3 goals that came from cheating, but bare in mind he had 3-4 saves on almost definite goals. I agree with cross it probably should have been 7-1.
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So you'd trade Hiller first if you had it your way? Go Pens.
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Bite me. It is assumed everyone's post is personal opinion. I would have hoped. So my personal conviction means jack. How shocking. Bite me.
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Ortio clears waivers. I still believe he will. Same as last year, no complaints from me. Ortio needs more coaching, Ramo and Hiller is a good tandem. I see Ramo as a good career backup.
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I believe a lot in this thread run on passion, and stats. But if you consider the position, there is a lot of dynamics to consider. For the staff, you have to consider what style of goalie best compliments the style you want your players playing. That involves looking at steering the puck off of saves. It also involves players understanding you the goalie, where you'll be, how you'll play it, and having that consistency cuts down on miscommunications. Much of goaltending is mental fortitude. Goalies are 1 of 2 ways. Level and balanced, nothing gets to them. Or pissed right off and just taking over. All the greats, I can think of what happened when they lost their excrement. Patty Roy got a new team, Hextall and Belfour, Quick, Price. Never infuriate a good goalie, they will bust through walls to keep the puck out. Which brings me to Hiller. Of our 3 goalies, he has good rebound control and his teammates know where he puts it consistently. He's level to a fault. I'd have loved to see him go sideways last year just to check the effect. But he just doesn't. He'll start game 1 imho, simply because he checks the most boxes in goalie mechanics. That's why I stress he has really settled the position down for us. I don't want tumult and miscommunication, lack of consistency back there. That was 2013. It was corrected. Gillies is a big goalie like Hiller. Ortio is adventurous like Ramo. I want one of each, so Hiller's experience wins for me. I'd be real nervous if sent Hiller away. I believe we'd be taught a lesson.
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Whatev. Does experience in net mean nothing to no one?
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I guess we'll see. It's either Ramo or Ortio goes for me then. Hiller's 1A in my books. He's done what Ramo had a year jump to do. The difference, for me, is the dmen know how Hiller will play it. He's consistent. Don't under rate that, Kipper left we instantly saw instability. Hiller is here to keep it stable. That's what we're paying him to do and I have no complaints. 2 years, perfect term. He's our starter this year, as far as I'm concerned. Having a fine camp, which seems to be getting overlooked.
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But.....you take the best 2. I'd be lying if I said he's better than either of Ramo or Hiller atm. So I just hope my belief is correct. Which is EVERYONE is busy worrying about losing cuts on waivers. You don't really wanna be the guy to take a waive from a camp cut without calling that team's GM first. Sure the move is there, but I'm sure it must be heavily-frowned upon by peers. I think Ortio clears and will be surprised if he doesn't. We're willing to pay him 1 way to develop another year. I like that, that's best for him, best for us. If it goes to hell in a handbasket, Ramo or Hiller get traded, he's got a seat. All 3's contracts run out next year. We wanted competition, we've got it in net!
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I agree with your Hiller assessment, and like I said, I'm okay with that. To assess Ramo and Ortio, it's almost like they're the same guy. They both cheat off the short side too quickly and they both over-commit too frequently and get scrambling to the point that you wonder if they've lost site of the net. My biggest concern is, if we are running 1A/1B, I'd prefer 2 goalies with different styles, not 2 of the same. All 3 have their positives and negatives, it's fairly even. For me honestly, I prefer Hiller be one of them. He stabilized it last year, and I believe he's the one that will keep it stable. Imho, Hartley yanked him from the Anaheim series in Game 1 and turned his back on him. I believe that was a mistake. At the end of the day, it made zero difference. Goalies can get angry from a poor start, human nature stuff. They can also come back like a house on fire, but he didn't get the 2nd chance, so who knows. Hartley decided the Ducks knew him too well methinks. I'd have given him a home start. He got us to the playoffs against all odds, held the fort for the Van series, then Hartley decided not to play him based on 1 start. Am I mistaken in thinking that?
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Perception? I wouldn't call it "solidified", I'd say stabilized. The year prior was rocky at best. Is it just me, or has Hiller been demonized for a few years now? I'm not into that bandwagon. I know his faults and like him as a goalie. #1: he always protects the net first, never strays.
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Wasn't that something? Almost scored on himself from a puck off the backwall, 12 ft out of a gaping cage to try to cover all options at once lol. He needs to find his zen for sure, panicky's an understatement.
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Not to change the subject, but man was Ortio ever adventurous tonight against the Oil. And not in a good way. Not in a "you should replace Hiller" way, by any stretch of the imagination. Not even maybe. And guessing Ramo in Edmonton left with a 2-1 lead? Our tandem from last season is an atrocity, bwahaha.
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The Official Calgary Flames "New Arena" thread
conundrumed replied to DirtyDeeds's topic in Flames Talk
Which has what kind of timeline? -
The Official Calgary Flames "New Arena" thread
conundrumed replied to DirtyDeeds's topic in Flames Talk
It invites infrastructure for sure, business skyrockets to invest in the area. I don't see a lose for the city. You want to rebuild the west end? It only starts with this, the city core will expand with it. But I have to say, the complex is some kind of ugly. It can be done with far more appeal than two giant plexiglass looking monstrosities. Don't build gaudy crap. -
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Taxpayers can't expect to get world-class facilities for free in their city. It doesn't happen. The cleanup bill has my eyebrows raised. Is it a $300mil stall or a $800,000,000 cleanup? And why would the Flames be on the hook for any of that? -
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What exactly is the cleanup? What is wrong with the land that requires cleanup at an estimated $300mil, which is undoubtedly the lowball figure? -
Alternatively, I hated the Raymond signing. "He's a good Cochrane boy", yada-yada. I didn't like signing him at the time, I don't like it now. Raymond's right up there with Burrows for being a whiny little chunk of whatev.. Might be your team, sure ain't mine. Raymond alone can change my opinion. But it'll involve not cheating up-ice on the effort, which I honestly wonder if he's capable. Hopefully he proves me wrong, but terribly unlikely.
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I have a hard time criticizing his moves at this point. The hindsight thing on his deals last year to reach the floor pretty much goes out the window when put in context. 3 years of Raymond I wasn't very fond of, but I wouldn't have taken Raymond period. But the cap floor and filling positions... My only real criticism is likely hindsight also. If you aren't sure where the prospects are at, keep the deals to a max term of 2 yrs. The 3 yr terms from last yr are in the way now, I believe. We're heading into camp with <2mil in cap after signing Ferland should no other moves be made. Hiller: underrated signing. Finding consistency in net was a big boon for us last yr. It took 4.5, it worked imho. Brodie: stellar signing. Brodie was in the midst of a great season, good term at very fair value. Russell: it became a value signing due to Russell. This year will show more. Ortio: low $$ for a 1-way in the 2nd yr. Crafty signing. The rest of 2014: Again, circumstance was an issue. 2015 Backlund: This is a proper bridge deal. Fair value. Between confidence and IR, Backlund has an opportunity to give us a great return on a interim 2nd and solid 3C. Hamilton: I believe this is as cheap as he could possibly come. Love the deal, love the term, love the NTC doesn't kick in until year 5. Another crafty signing. Frolik: By Tre's own account, this was the sole FA target, no plan B. I think the $$$ are a bit high, but if you're the GM and think, "this player will really help us", you've likely weighed what needed weighing. I view it as a "wait and see" signing. Ramo: 1 yr @ $3.8 when we can afford it. Glad we have the same tandem another yr. Bouma: 3 at $2.2 is okay for OUR BEST bottom 6 winger, but he has to be that. Jooris/Byron: Great utility(at worst) for under a mil each. All in all, I'm really happy and see our GM puts in a ton of work crafting up some contracts that work for everyone. Past his 1st year and getting to know what he has, I love his work. Mixing in "show me" deals with Nakladl, Morrisson, Byron, Jooris is a plan I really like also. I find it hard to be critical at this point.
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I've gotta say cross, you haven't wavered on Engelland like ever. I have a ton, but there you are, being so grounded again! Engelland has a lot of limitations, but he also just walked onto a crappy team last year not knowing what to expect. We far exceeded expectations, and you're right. It would be pretty indignant to think Engelland deserves zero credit. Paid too much, but really, likely only $0.5mil too much. I considered Engelland "waiting for Wotherspoon", and in reality, we're still waiting. For me at least, it's time to cut him a little slack. I never mind saying I'm wrong, just need convincing. Thanks!
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Like that's ever happened to you lolz
