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He should be in line for some PP looks. Good vision, great passer.

A $4.1 offer sheet. Only costs a 2nd. Better #s than Kyrou (especially D), RSC, played a big role in their SC, makes us better, hard to play against...what are we waiting for? Honestly can't believe Army has let it go this far, but I'm sure he'll figure it out.

That's sick! Big Love!!

What I think needs to happen is a new thread like, "The Hive of Doom", that you folks could hang out in. There are enough of you. Come tell us that you told us so occasionally. We'd love that.

And let's not forget Fox took the, "I'm a pos" route either. We took him in the 2nd. He's a pos. Let's just direct every slapshot at him. See how much he likes NY. If I'm Sutter. "Forwards, let him run. Zady, Guddy, take a suspension". I hope we remind Fox every time, hurtfully, that he's a pos. That's team building.

So the question remains. Why do you hang around? You're so negative about everything surrounding the team that it makes you blind with rage. Nobody actually needs that. Between you and peeps, you'd think we have nothing positive at all. This is where the false dichotomy lives. Pretending that we're horrible at everything. Nothing is right, nothing is good enough. Grab a straw, maybe it'll be the long one. Stop telling us how bad we are at everything for not being TBag. False dichotomy. Bad translation. If you can't see some positives, why hang around?

Scouts are like the high school jocks that sit at one table in the high school cafeteria making fun of everyone else. This is why they're wrong, a lot. They lead consensus. Yet they're too dumb to understand why it goes wrong. They have a "pack-mentality". I'd love to be a director of scouting.lol The riot act would be read. First order of business. I would be angry. A lot. They aren't very open-minded, more like high school jocks pretending to be smart.

That's precisely what I am doing. Flipping the script. The other side is presenting, "we have to tank for a high pick". I'm saying no we don't. Particularly with a ridiculous lottery system that doesn't guarantee a top 3 pick. Datsyuk was a 6th rder. Lidstrom a 3rd. Benn, Kucherov, Point et.al., we can call them outliers, but there are plenty of outliers if that's what we're calling it. Now we can pretend scouting is world's better now, unfortunately that's not the case. I know 2 scouts, 1 for the Wings, 1 for the Pens. Here's why there's always a consensus. It's an old boys club. They all gather together in 1 section of the arena to watch the same player(s), spill drinks and laugh it up like it's a family reunion. I've had this conversation with both. Their primary interest seems to be respect amongst their peers. Just like high school. So finding the hidden future NHLers is as easy as telling your scouts to sit elsewhere and not to follow the consensus. 1 scout I know actually took my advice and is stalwart. They all piggy-back off of each other. If I'm a GM, that's not what I'm paying for. This is how the Moritz Seider's go 6thoa when consensus is 6th best International player. Kid will be a monster NHLer. Building a solid foundation and adding to it smartly, I get that part. What I'm saying is you don't have to sell off every asset for picks and tank to accomplish that. Even Aho was a 2nd rder. It happens. A lot. Pelletier has the toolbox to be a Voracek-type, Zary a Couture. Our pipeline is looking the best it has in years. D is on the weak side, but we just graduated Andersson, Valimaki, potentially Mackey. But most are short on patience and out of time due to our old pipeline of Poirier's, Bouma's etc. My mission is to pull everyone back from the ledge. We aren't in as bad of shape as is being spewed all over. Both Pell and Zary are more than capable of transitioning to the next level. And yes, we do have a good GM. Too many want him fired. Impassioned, but misguided. We're only getting better. Now I just wait to prove my point. Talking heads are like scouts, they thrive on consensus as a group. One piles on, the rest follow suit. Let's all think for ourselves. We aren't as bad as a lot of people seem to be cheering for. Typical.

St. Louis has signed Bozak. $750,000 could be $2mil if bonuses are met. If Tara isn't traded, how are they signing Thomas?

Svechnikov is a #2oa.

This needs it's own thread... Re-tooling is better than rebuilding. Who are consistently the best teams in the NHL right now along with TBay? The Boston Bruins. The NYI. They achieved that without high picks on their current roster. We can consistently redo drafts and it's easy to see that the top 5 drafted players are not the best players from the draft. So that is my argument and I believe it's a solid one.Then, there is the Oilers and Sabres. More arguments against high picks having the impact on winning that is being promoted. It just isn't the case. Why kid ourselves into thinking that it's a great solution? The evidence doesn't support it.

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Moved out of the D thread...

Or Edmonton? Or Buffalo? Or NJ? Or Ottawa? You know as well as anyone that the tank to eventually succeed model is dicey at best. You get the best player for 3 yrs on an ELC, there's your window. Then he's going to need 12-15% of your cap. Now your window is closing. McDavid and Draisaitl easily compare to Crosby and Malkin. But it doesn't matter. Scrapping everything is not a good plan. I know many want to see it, but in reality, it's a really piss-poor tactic. Even Ovi didn't put the team on his back. It's easily argued Kuznetzov did just as much. A 26th oa. Now if we can get over the silly mindset of "bpa-unless he's Russian", that could help a lot. Point's a 3rd rounder, Kucherov's a 2nd rder, Datsyuk was a 6th along with Markov in the same draft. Jamie Benn's a 5th rder. We can do this all day. Don't need to tank for a high pick to get a great player. We picked Adam Fox...now we should just shoot pucks at his head...

https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/prospect-camp-primer/c-326132666

Serhyenko is PA's goalie, with size. Poor showing last year kept him from being drafted.

Pitlick interview for those that haven't seen it. Solid add!

Which one will be Nolan Patrick? I'm sure I could add Schmaltz and Robert Thomas for a lot cheaper, and suddenly we're very deep down the middle. I want a team that is very hard to play against, not the Oilers/Devils. They have some elite talent, it doesn't matter.

Thanks kehatch for a NEW thread.lol I voted rebuild if we have another year like last year. But honestly, I think we have zoned in on some of the things that have really been hurting us. Not much change to the core, but I'm not positive the core has been the problem. A complete lack of 60 minutes of compete, no grit, no pushback, a team that always falls into a hole without the resilience to get out of it. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging they say. The team's composition never did that. "Have Ritchie beat someone up"...never mattered. I like the adds, as residual as they seem. It will be the bottom 6 that keeps the entire roster up. So this is a retool to me. We've retooled our bottom 6, which was god awful. Most think it doesn't need move the needle, but I see it differently. Our bottom 6 is no longer going to get completely outworked so that is going to be a big boost. How the roster comes together is pretty exciting to me. Lots of parts and methods it seems. Pitlick, for me, is a nice add. He will chip in with secondary scoring. His career high is 15 goals playing with junk and doing it all by himself. Coleman always plays with a sense of urgency so that's a nice add for what has been a pretty vanilla team. When Sutter calls someone out in the media, Lewis and Richardson can talk to the player. "Yes. This is what he does. Don't get mad at him, get mad at yourself. He's not lying". Role players that know their role very well. Size on D. No more stick checking. Punish. Nothing slows a forward down more than being aware that there's a heavy hitter on the ice. As much as I don't see Gudbranson as a good add, I also have to wonder if Sutter has always been laughing at his usage. He wanted him here, so he likely sees something that I don't. Finally, this team filled me full of spite last year with their pathetic levels of, "try". Whining about it got tiring to the point that my give-a-crap-level was the same as theirs. But that's exhausting too. So I've stopped whining and it's a new season to watch and hope that fixing the bottom 6, piling in Dmen and G prospects is a good start. Now our top 6 has a platform to stand on. If they falter, then it's time to address that. I hope we've fixed a lot of the real problems now. Not long term solutions, but perhaps a better look at being a true 4 line team, built from the net out. Without skipping over the 3rd and 4th lines like we could just throw anyone there.

TBay both Lecavaier and Stamkos 1st oa. He dman 2oa.

What's Gillies doing now? How about Joni Ortio?lol

lol He's the Preds backup for Saros. Not a 2 way league min. How do you come up with this crap? Prevented Gillies/Parsons?? Maybe because they weren't good enough and still aren't. Stop pretending every drafted goalie that doesn't work out is due to the NHL team's development. It's because only 64 goalies can be in the NHL. Thems slim pickens.

Rittich gave us false hope? He's an NHL goalie from nothing. Do you expect every goalie to be Vasilevsky, Price or Fleury before deeming them a success?lol

You don't just anoint Wolf as our guy. That would be an egregious error.