The_People1 Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 If mommy & daddy pull little Johnny out of Timbits because they saw a fight in the NHL during a newscast & now fear their precious will be smoked by some other ankle skater they should never have enrolled him in the 1st place. Let him ride his tricycle with training wheels & adult supervision on the driveway as that will be all he gets for excercise. He can play simulated badmonton via some app as if he played the real thing he might fall & skin his knee. Home schooling only as other kids in school might have colds. Then when he's 40 & living @ home they can wonder why he's afraid to go outside. Yeah, that's the way to raise a kid. In a country where there's no other sports to play except hockey, sure, keep things the way they are and don't change a thing. If hockey wants to continue to grow in the USA, and around the world, especially penetrating new markets where other sports have traditionally dominated, then hockey has to evolve and adapt. Fighting is something of the stone ages. No sports allow it (outside of MMA and pure fighting sports where they belong). No sports need its own players to police and protect themselves. Rules, suspensions, etc all do that for their players. The NHL should do this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 3, 2014 Report Share Posted May 3, 2014 In a country where there's no other sports to play except hockey, sure, keep things the way they are and don't change a thing. If hockey wants to continue to grow in the USA, and around the world, especially penetrating new markets where other sports have traditionally dominated, then hockey has to evolve and adapt. Fighting is something of the stone ages. No sports allow it (outside of MMA and pure fighting sports where they belong). No sports need its own players to police and protect themselves. Rules, suspensions, etc all do that for their players. The NHL should do this too. Evolve and adapt? Puhleeaase. Maybe we should take out hitting too. Actually, maybe all of the men in this new society we seem to want to create should stay home and do the housekeeping, while our women go and fight the wars, play the sports, and do all of the heavy lifting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 In a country where there's no other sports to play except hockey, sure, keep things the way they are and don't change a thing. If hockey wants to continue to grow in the USA, and around the world, especially penetrating new markets where other sports have traditionally dominated, then hockey has to evolve and adapt. Fighting is something of the stone ages. No sports allow it (outside of MMA and pure fighting sports where they belong). No sports need its own players to police and protect themselves. Rules, suspensions, etc all do that for their players. The NHL should do this too. Well, soccer seems to be making inroads in Canada. No fighting allowed on the field. The fact that the fans have shootouts like before the Italian Cup don't matter I guess. I'm not sure about you but I'd rather lose a few chicklets rather then being shot at. ************************************************** BTW since you say there are no other sports for kids in Canada try watching lacross. I played basketball, baseball, football & did track & field in my youth. We also had bowling & curling for those that preferred that. Those are 1s in my youth & now there is figure skating, skateboarding & the multitude of others few watch outside of the Olympics. There are choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 No sports allow it (outside of MMA and pure fighting sports where they belong). No sports need its own players to police and protect themselves. Rules, suspensions, etc all do that for their players. The NHL should do this too. Fighting occurs in several sports, there are also penalties in hockey for fighting, so the statement above has no validity whatsoever... Here are just a few examples why, and they are all too easy to find... High School basketball fights... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jU-KxP8tI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzT8e5kR2Y Little league sucker punch in handshake line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPoTSjLIeI High School football fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jtr_zJ52yM High school soccer sucker punch and melee... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUX_vU5p2Y High School lacrosse fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl8A4WY9ewE Not even badminton is safe... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnYmUikiva8 Girls or women's sports are at times also not so innocent... There are plenty of examples of that as well... If hockey wants to continue to grow in the USA, and around the world, especially penetrating new markets where other sports have traditionally dominated, then hockey has to evolve and adapt. Fighting is something of the stone ages. Many of us agree, that staged fights NHL are unnecessary and detract from the game... But many of us also agree that fighting has been a part of the game since the first puck was dropped and has it's place... There is also a valid argument that since the implementation of the instigator rule, the frequency of cheap shots has increased and so have the resulting injuries... Reducing the cheap shots in hockey (they will never be eliminated) with stiffer penalties/fines/suspensions would go a long way towards reducing injuries and fights would be then also reduced as a byproduct... Parents that complain little Johnny or Julie doesn't want to play hockey because either they or their child are afraid he/she might get smacked and blame the "culture of hockey" or the way the game has always been played for their concerns have the blinders on... Take a look at the youtube clips above and then try and tell me how hockey is different than these other sports or that their culture is somehow better... At least no one has ever been killed by a toilet while sitting in the stands watching a hockey game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 This is the problem with the debate re fighting in hockey. The pro-fighting fans say crap like "there isn't any difference between hockey and every other sport" or "if kids are afraid to fight they shouldn't play hockey" or "fighting in hockey is necessary to prevent cheap play". No reasonable and intelligent person says these things. The bias is overwhelming. I was at an Offspring concert a couple of years ago. The lead singer said he watched a pre-season game and the guys were kicking the crap out of each other. In pre-season. He was shocked. You know what I was? Proud. Proud it was our sport and it has that type of reputation. It is what it is. There is no higher purpose to fighting. It isn't a necessity to the game. It is something special to hockey that is present in very few other sports. And most of us enjoy it. I do. I admit it. But I also admit that I have many friends that refuse to put their kids in hockey because of the stigma. I admit that my son won't play past the point where that becomes part of the game. I admit that outside pressures like media, insurance, and owners worried about their players will push this out of the game. I admit that this very few fans will stop watching hockey with less fighting, but that fighting is an obstacle to viewers in some markets. I also admit that in 20 years the game will still be great to watch with fighting as a much smaller part of the culture. Deep down the biggest fighting in hockey advocate believes the same thing. They just won't admit it. This is a 'one + one equals two' argument folks. If you are in the 'it equals three' camp its because you are letting yourself be fooled. I don't say that about much because there is so much gray area in just about every debate. But in this case, thems just the facts folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 This is the problem with the debate re fighting in hockey. The pro-fighting fans say crap like "there isn't any difference between hockey and every other sport" or "if kids are afraid to fight they shouldn't play hockey" or "fighting in hockey is necessary to prevent cheap play". No reasonable and intelligent person says these things. The bias is overwhelming. It speaks volumes when someone has to resort to phrases like "say crap like" and "No reasonable and intelligent person says these things" in an attempt to discredit someones opinion that differs from their own... There is no higher purpose to fighting. It isn't a necessity to the game. It is something special to hockey that is present in very few other sports. Once again, fighting occurs in several sports, at different ages and levels of competition... Here are just a few examples, and anyone can easily find so many more, that it would be a full time job for a substantial amount of time to try and watch them ... I chose to focus mainly on kids participating in these different sports to demonstrate that fighting is in no way limited to only the sport of hockey and does indeed happen even in the younger age groups in these different sports... It is part of human nature to be competitive while playing sports, and fighting can and does occur in many different sports and in different age groups... That said, examples of fights occurring at the pro level in several sports other than hockey are even easier to find... High School basketball fights... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jU-KxP8tI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzT8e5kR2Y Little league sucker punch in handshake line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPoTSjLIeI High School football fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jtr_zJ52yM High school soccer sucker punch and melee... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUX_vU5p2Y High School lacrosse fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl8A4WY9ewE Not even badminton is safe... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnYmUikiva8 Girls or women's sports are at times also not so innocent... There are plenty of examples of that as well... Deep down the biggest fighting in hockey advocate believes the same thing. They just won't admit it. This is a 'one + one equals two' argument folks. If you are in the 'it equals three' camp its because you are letting yourself be fooled. I don't say that about much because there is so much gray area in just about every debate. But in this case, thems just the facts folks. This might be your opinion (which of course everyone is entitled to), but it is simply conjecture, and many would disagree that it is factual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Fighting occurs in several sports, there are also penalties in hockey for fighting, so the statement above has no validity whatsoever... Here are just a few examples why, and they are all too easy to find... High School basketball fights... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jU-KxP8tI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzT8e5kR2Y Little league sucker punch in handshake line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPoTSjLIeI High School football fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jtr_zJ52yM High school soccer sucker punch and melee... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUX_vU5p2Y High School lacrosse fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl8A4WY9ewE Not even badminton is safe... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnYmUikiva8 Girls or women's sports are at times also not so innocent... There are plenty of examples of that as well... Many of us agree, that staged fights NHL are unnecessary and detract from the game... But many of us also agree that fighting has been a part of the game since the first puck was dropped and has it's place... There is also a valid argument that since the implementation of the instigator rule, the frequency of cheap shots has increased and so have the resulting injuries... Reducing the cheap shots in hockey (they will never be eliminated) with stiffer penalties/fines/suspensions would go a long way towards reducing injuries and fights would be then also reduced as a byproduct... Parents that complain little Johnny or Julie doesn't want to play hockey because either they or their child are afraid he/she might get smacked and blame the "culture of hockey" or the way the game has always been played for their concerns have the blinders on... Take a look at the youtube clips above and then try and tell me how hockey is different than these other sports or that their culture is somehow better... At least no one has ever been killed by a toilet while sitting in the stands watching a hockey game... Come on Carty. People crash driving sober. That doesn't make it okay to drink and drive. There are a LOT more fights in hockey. It is a MUCH bigger part of the hockey culture than in sports like Baseball. You know that. This is exactly the kind of zero compromise excuse like argument I am talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Come on Carty. People crash driving sober. That doesn't make it okay to drink and drive. While I agree with this statement, I fail to see how it is relevant to either hockey, or the discussion... There are a LOT more fights in hockey. It is a MUCH bigger part of the hockey culture than in sports like Baseball. You know that. This is exactly the kind of zero compromise excuse like argument I am talking about. I made no excuses, I simple expressed my opinion and used examples in an effort to show why that was my opinion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreckening Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Wow this thing has derailed from the Flames being truculent to the merits of having fighting in hockey or not. I agree with a few posters here when they say you don't need size to be truculent and many examples have been pointed out. However, the Flames do need to get bigger. This is the draft where with the number 4 pick we need to draft some size and that's where Draisaitl and Ritchie fall into. I left Ekblad and Reinhart off the list because I don't believe they will fall to us. And as much as I would like to see Bennett in a Flames jersey there are two reasons I don't see it happening 1) I don't think he falls to number 4 and 2) We have Poirier already developing into that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4xon Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Fighting needs to stay in Hockey, period. Pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 Although it is from 2005 the trend hasn't changed. Hockey is the 2nd most participated, not the only sport. Been around hockey a long long time. I played when cages or visors were not an option. Seen many team mates including myself spit out a few Chiclets due to sticks or hits from behind never a punch to the face or a fight, which did happen. To days kids are scared to do anything, failure isn't an option cause their never allowed to fail at anything. Their pushed trough school and really don't understand the idea of adversity. Funny I had the privileges of playing golf with Clark Gillies, Bob Nystrom and Dave Seminko at a charity event. For those who may not know who they are just google it. I asked about there thoughts on fighting in the game. All 3 said the same thing there is no respect amount the players anymore. Fighting will always be part of the game, since they have taken the instigator rule out, the respect amounst players has decreased. Castle said it best it is a sport that ins't for everyone. If little Jonny is intimidated by the other kids, their are many sports that are not contact sports and are individualized. Pick one where the poor little fellow isn't traumatized that may affect their self esteem. Funny have not meet a kid that doesn't enjoy a good video game of killing aliens or some sort of violence, but yet they seem emotional damaged from a hockey fight. In a country where there's no other sports to play except hockey, sure, keep things the way they are and don't change a thing. If hockey wants to continue to grow in the USA, and around the world, especially penetrating new markets where other sports have traditionally dominated, then hockey has to evolve and adapt. Fighting is something of the stone ages. No sports allow it (outside of MMA and pure fighting sports where they belong). No sports need its own players to police and protect themselves. Rules, suspensions, etc all do that for their players. The NHL should do this too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyabs Posted May 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 So we should trade Hudler? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted May 4, 2014 Report Share Posted May 4, 2014 To days kids are scared to do anything, failure isn't an option cause their never allowed to fail at anything. Their pushed trough school and really don't understand the idea of adversity. Castle said it best it is a sport that ins't for everyone. If little Jonny is intimidated by the other kids, their are many sports that are not contact sports and are individualized. Pick one where the poor little fellow isn't traumatized that may affect their self esteem. Funny have not meet a kid that doesn't enjoy a good video game of killing aliens or some sort of violence, but yet they seem emotional damaged from a hockey fight. Excellent! You got 1 of those likes that I dole out sparingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conundrumed Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 This is the problem with the debate re fighting in hockey. The pro-fighting fans say crap like "there isn't any difference between hockey and every other sport" or "if kids are afraid to fight they shouldn't play hockey" or "fighting in hockey is necessary to prevent cheap play". No reasonable and intelligent person says these things. The bias is overwhelming. I admit that my son won't play past the point where that becomes part of the game. I admit that outside pressures like media, insurance, and owners worried about their players will push this out of the game. I admit that this very few fans will stop watching hockey with less fighting, but that fighting is an obstacle to viewers in some markets. Clipped for pertinence. The bolded might be a part of the dialogue problem, no? The problem is what we've watched evolve from regressing fighting. More stick work, more cheap crap from guys in ridiculously military grade equipment who otherwise would have been a whole lot more respectful. Elbow pads vs concussions? How about we put more risk in elbow injuries than head injuries? Fighting is doing NOTHING close to equipment issues and limited fighting puffing up everyone's chest, injury wise. But, again, and again, and again...fighting is the problem. The worst fight I ever had as a litle leaguer was a baseball fight with the opposing pitcher...after the game. You may want to redress the part about when your boy will or won't play hockey until. If he's around his friends playing hockey while he's growing up, I'm sure you know you can't halt that when he's 14. "No guys, my dad won't let me play this year". How long do you figure he'll harbour that for? Not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 The debate is like talking gun control with a bunch of gun nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 So we should trade Hudler? lol We really can't afford to. We need the cap hit & he's sevicable. If we get a good offer we could trade him but we'd have to make up the cap by overpaying some UFA (if there were better teams wouldn't make an offer). It would depend on the long term gain from the return being worthwhile enough to warrant the overpayment to replace. ********************************* I agree it's time to put this back on topic. Since the other discussion that hijacked the thread is so popular maybe it should be continued in it's own thread. The debate is like talking gun control with a bunch of gun nuts. See my previous post. I'll be happy to respond in a separate thread. This 1 was supposed to be about hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 No reasonable and intelligent person says these things. The bias is overwhelming. The bolded might be a part of the dialogue problem, no? I'm pretty sure he was trying to start a fight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Okay, okay. Back on topic. I don't think the Flames are just looking to play physical. I think they are legitimately looking to get bigger. Jack Johnson was a guy that some speculated Burke might go after. Though with Columbus making the playoffs and him playing well in them, that might not be an option. Kulemin is one of a couple of options available via free agency. I think Luke Schenn makes a lot of sense if Philly is willing to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Evolve and adapt? Puhleeaase. Maybe we should take out hitting too. Actually, maybe all of the men in this new society we seem to want to create should stay home and do the housekeeping, while our women go and fight the wars, play the sports, and do all of the heavy lifting. Sexist much? Well, soccer seems to be making inroads in Canada. No fighting allowed on the field. The fact that the fans have shootouts like before the Italian Cup don't matter I guess. I'm not sure about you but I'd rather lose a few chicklets rather then being shot at. ************************************************** BTW since you say there are no other sports for kids in Canada try watching lacross. I played basketball, baseball, football & did track & field in my youth. We also had bowling & curling for those that preferred that. Those are 1s in my youth & now there is figure skating, skateboarding & the multitude of others few watch outside of the Olympics. There are choices. FF, your focus is on "you" but the focal point of my post is on the parents who put their kids into sports. You would certainly put your kids into hockey regardless but I'm sure you can agree there will be parents out there who would shy away from doing so if the league doesn't eliminate fighting and prevent heat shots. Fighting occurs in several sports, there are also penalties in hockey for fighting, so the statement above has no validity whatsoever... Here are just a few examples why, and they are all too easy to find... High School basketball fights... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6jU-KxP8tI & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHzT8e5kR2Y Little league sucker punch in handshake line... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPoTSjLIeI High School football fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jtr_zJ52yM High school soccer sucker punch and melee... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeUX_vU5p2Y High School lacrosse fight... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl8A4WY9ewE Not even badminton is safe... ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnYmUikiva8 Girls or women's sports are at times also not so innocent... There are plenty of examples of that as well... Carty, this has to be the worst evidence in support of fighting in other sports, ever. If you fight in basketball, do you just get charged one foul and play on? If you fight in baseball, do you just get sent back to the dugout and charged an error? Many of us agree, that staged fights NHL are unnecessary and detract from the game... But many of us also agree that fighting has been a part of the game since the first puck was dropped and has it's place... There is also a valid argument that since the implementation of the instigator rule, the frequency of cheap shots has increased and so have the resulting injuries... Reducing the cheap shots in hockey (they will never be eliminated) with stiffer penalties/fines/suspensions would go a long way towards reducing injuries and fights would be then also reduced as a byproduct... Parents that complain little Johnny or Julie doesn't want to play hockey because either they or their child are afraid he/she might get smacked and blame the "culture of hockey" or the way the game has always been played for their concerns have the blinders on... Take a look at the youtube clips above and then try and tell me how hockey is different than these other sports or that their culture is somehow better... Once again, it's not Johnny or Julie who will decide. It's the parents who see another kid carried off the ice on a stretcher who will decide to pull the plug on what could have been a great professional career. This over time will stunt the growth of the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Although it is from 2005 the trend hasn't changed. Hockey is the 2nd most participated, not the only sport. Been around hockey a long long time. I played when cages or visors were not an option. Seen many team mates including myself spit out a few Chiclets due to sticks or hits from behind never a punch to the face or a fight, which did happen. To days kids are scared to do anything, failure isn't an option cause their never allowed to fail at anything. Their pushed trough school and really don't understand the idea of adversity. Funny I had the privileges of playing golf with Clark Gillies, Bob Nystrom and Dave Seminko at a charity event. For those who may not know who they are just google it. I asked about there thoughts on fighting in the game. All 3 said the same thing there is no respect amount the players anymore. Fighting will always be part of the game, since they have taken the instigator rule out, the respect amounst players has decreased. Castle said it best it is a sport that ins't for everyone. If little Jonny is intimidated by the other kids, their are many sports that are not contact sports and are individualized. Pick one where the poor little fellow isn't traumatized that may affect their self esteem. Funny have not meet a kid that doesn't enjoy a good video game of killing aliens or some sort of violence, but yet they seem emotional damaged from a hockey fight. Is this chart/stat for Canada? I'd like to know what the stats were pre-Fighting Instigator rule 1992. Hockey has continually made improvements to the game to reduce fighting and head shots. This needs to keep moving along and evolving. Otherwise, the trends of participation could revert the other way. Look at baseball and their steriod problems. That's turned a lot of athletes away. Okay, okay. Back on topic. I don't think the Flames are just looking to play physical. I think they are legitimately looking to get bigger. I don't think that's necessarily true. We just need more grit with or without the size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Peeps, we were trying to get this back on topic. It seemed to be working. How about we leave it on prospective trades & the like. As I said earlier anyone wanting to stir that pot can start a new thread about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_People1 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 Peeps, we were trying to get this back on topic. It seemed to be working. How about we leave it on prospective trades & the like. As I said earlier anyone wanting to stir that pot can start a new thread about it. I was just trying to post with some truculence. But on topic then... what would it take to get a Boone Jenner and/or Charlie Coyle? Both are big body kids who have top 6 potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreckening Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I was just trying to post with some truculence. But on topic then... what would it take to get a Boone Jenner and/or Charlie Coyle? Both are big body kids who have top 6 potential. I don't know if you could pry Jenner out of Columbus and I'm not sure how deep they are in big bodied centermen. I think your talking more than what the Flames have to offer or would be willing to part with. Coyle on the other hand could be a player that might be available for trade. I think you're talking at least Hudler and another player or pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted May 5, 2014 Report Share Posted May 5, 2014 I was just trying to post with some truculence. But on topic then... what would it take to get a Boone Jenner and/or Charlie Coyle? Both are big body kids who have top 6 potential. As Wreckening said it'd be more then we could justify for Jenner. I also can't see Coyle being moved. BJs are done with rebuilding & Jenner played a big part in getting them to the dance & being respectable in the short run. Including bonuses hit comes in under 1 million. With big ticket items like Parise, Koivu & Suter signed long term a dang good EL that tops out @ under a million including bonuses is too valuable to move. Cheap talent added to the luxury 1s are needed to survive. Both teams do have deep prospect pools we could look at but the good rosters players on EL they can't afford to trade. Even if offered the 4 OA they'd be taking a step backwards. Especially if ready to step directly to the NHL top 5 picks usually get contracts that top out @ near 4 million with bonuses. The value of picks is in the beholder. On a building team it's viewed as the next star even though not every draft produces a MacKinnon, Stamkos or Crosby. On a team that intends to compete it's a chance to restock the cupboards while shedding salary from redundance (you have too many right wings so move the 1 you can afford to without losing much total talent for example. They can be fine players but if you have 3 roughly equivelent 1s fighting for 2 positions you try to move the expensive 1). Looking @ projections for this year the top centers are projected as 2Cs with a chance of #1. Ekblad is called a likely good 2nd pairing that could be a 1st pairing. You don't trade the 1 you have for a chance the other might be better. Remember, Luongo was moved to make room for the supposedly better DiPietro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac70 Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 Is this chart/stat for Canada? I'd like to know what the stats were pre-Fighting Instigator rule 1992. Hockey has continually made improvements to the game to reduce fighting and head shots. This needs to keep moving along and evolving. Otherwise, the trends of participation could revert the other way. Look at baseball and their steriod problems. That's turned a lot of athletes away. I don't think that's necessarily true. We just need more grit with or without the size. Yes it is a Canadian stat. Pre 1992 hockey was #1 by a large margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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