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Kipper-esque goaltending last year would have brought us to at least the 3rd round. This year, we probably would be over 500.
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When Hiller is back, we have the 3 goalie problem again. Send one down and we have 3 goalies there until Gillies is back. If that's a week or several months, the problem will still be there. And we still haven't solved the problem here. Poulin/Simpson is fine for now in the AHL. Hiller(or Ortio or Ramo)/Poulin is fine; Simpson goes to the ECHL. Whenever Gillies returns causes the problem. A trade is needed. I would be more incline to trade Hiller or Ramo to Toronto for Bernier. Both get a clean slate. Both have had sub-par starts to the season. Both are injured and likely to return soon. Add a piece to the trade to help offset the trade if required.
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Doesn't help the Flames right now, nor is that the intention. Gillies is still out (due to return soon), and his replacement has not been great. The Heat need as much help as the Flames do in nets. This begs the question, what about Hiller/Ramo/Ortio when all are healthy. Unless a trade is coming soon, a goalie has to go to the farm. Sending Ortio there makes little sense since the cap relief will not be enough and we will be close to the limit. Sending Hiller or Ramo would result in Simpson and Poulin being sent to the ECHL, assuming Gillies is healthy. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Gillies was skating, and is close to returning. This may mean the assignment of one of our starters. Hiller may be on the move or become waived..
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The worse thing that could happen would be Hiller coming back and getting starts right away, only to be as bad as he has already been. As soon as he is ready, he needs to go to the AHL for conditioning. They are likely going to run Ramo for as long as they can right now. They have to do it to establish his value in a trade and to try to get consistent effort out of a goalie. At some point Ortio will get his next start, and perhaps he can get a win or two. Not holding my breath, but the team has played better in front of Ramo (with Brodie return). This week has a B2B in Tampa then Washington. Ramo gave up 4 goals in the loss to Washington, so maybe that is the game to put in Ortio. 2nd night of a B2B, so maybe not a great time.
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Early season struggles to score combined with below average goaltending = losing record. Able to score 4+ goals combined with below average goaltending = .500 hockey at best Struggle to score combine with average goaltending = .500 hockey Able to score 4+ goals with league average goaltending >>>.500 hockey. Those are just broad statements. The last 2 wins fall into the last two categories.
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Gillies injured. Day to day with lower body injury.
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Stockton Heat Updates [2016-2017]
travel_dude replied to travel_dude's topic in Calgary Wranglers and Flames Prospects
Gillies left the game after 1 period with a lower body injury. No other update at this point. On the positive side of things: Mangiapane has 12g and 12a in 16 games (6th on league scoring) Rasmus Andersson has 3g and 9s in 14 games -
Stockton Heat Updates [2016-2017]
travel_dude replied to travel_dude's topic in Calgary Wranglers and Flames Prospects
Well, to be fair, he is just 20. How long was it before Gio made the NHL. Extreme example, but defensemen don't reach their prime until mid-20's. Some like Ekblad hit that level sooner. Brodie hasn't even reached his prime yet. His ceiling is probably close to a Derek Engelland one, if he makes it. Always a chance he could be a Chara, but you would expect to see some signs of offense by now. -
If anything, we finally got league average goaltending last night. It wasn't great goaltending but it was good. Timely saves, untimely miss, overall staying good enough to grab a win. A start like this could have been a win in some of the losses we had.
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I get that, but are you saying he doesn't deserve the next start?
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A note of sarcasm?? Actually he actually earned a start after tonight's win. He was back to the calibre he played in his good games last year. Should have had a shutout, but the team failed him in the last 30 seconds of a period...again. He gets the win with .963 and an assist.
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The roster decisions have been a based of cooperative decisions. Hartley takes the camp guys and decides who stays and who doesn't. That's how it was last year. Sending down Baertschi was BH's decision, backed up by BT. Once the season got rolling, there seemed to be a disconnect. Players were brought in, but left on the bench. Those were BH all the way. Last year the results were there, sometimes through great coaching, sometimes in spite of the coaching. I think BH is a great teaching coach, but sometimes his in-game choices or lineup decisions are baffling. This year, most of those decisions have not worked. The players have won the games just barely.
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The GM has tools available to him to reel back in the coach. Waive a player. Assign a player. Trade a player, even if it's just for peanuts. BT has given Hartley too much latitude by keeping 3 goalies while 2 were struggling. Sending down Nakladal instead of Smid. Not assigning Raymond. Not waiving Bollig. It sounds like crap to waive multiple players, but we are in the worst slump in franchise history. Tinkering with the lineup isn't going to fix it right now. It may all work out, but that may not happen until December at this rate. Hiller was playing like crap before he was injured and won't be better due to the injury. If I was Brian Burke, I would be talking on a daily basis with BT. And I am giving my opinion about some things or at least offering sober advice to BT's opinions.
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The biggest problem righ now is that the AHL schedule has been very light. B2B games then nothing for a week. They have played all of 6 games since October 10th. Gillies needs to play many games before he would be ready to take a callup.
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Trash Ortio if you like, but he has played one game. It was bad. It doesn't matter who we have in nets. We have defensive issues to fix. 42 shots and only 6 blocked shots on top of that. That is horrendous. If we had limited the shots to 25, Ramo (even with an 0.878 SA%) would have stopped 22/25. Anything over 25 on a regular basis is going to lose you games unless you score 3+ goals per game.
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I think Ortio face the best competition of the pre-season for an entire game. Ortio's game against Montreal featured some of the worst defense the Flames have played this season. Ortio has to save at least 2 of the goals. Same can be said for some of Ramo's games.
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I don't think you are assessing Hartley's view of goalie depth quite right. Ortio wasn't the least of 3 in pre-season games. He played against two mostly NHL rosters with a bare minimum of Flames regulars in front of him. He went 1/2 with a shutout. I would have to say that Hartley had the goalies rated from last year, much like he did in the Joey MacDonald (part) season. A vet that played well for him last year is going to be higher on the depth chart than a rookie. Neither of the top 2 has performed well. The #3 guy has one cold start. But he needed to be ready to go 100% mentally. He should really have agreed to a conditioning stint with the Heat, and he may have been a starter tonight.
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He only played 3 years in the NCAA. We would have signed him after year 2, but he struggled at the WJC and end of season. Burke suggested that he go back and he also thought the same. He's still pretty young by goaltender standards. No point in rushing him, unless he is absolute magic in the AHL and we have a major goaltending shortage at the end of this season. You can reward him with a few games.
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Gillies is the future for goaltending in Calgary. McDonald may be a quality AHL'er, a NHL backup or a starter, but that is years away. He's still in that voodoo age for goalies. But we can't very well expect Gillies to factor into Calgary this season. Next year maybe (hopefully). It would be nice to have a set of developed goalies that can give us better than league average goaltending.
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Hartley not having faith is a coaching issue. The team hung him out to dry. Hiller's injury forces the issue a bit, since Ramo can only play so many games in a row. This week isn't an issue, but next week it goes Tuesday, Thurs, Friday with the Lightning and Caps back-to-back. Then the Hawks on Sunday. Even if Hiller came back this week, he is not going to be in game shape to face the best of the East. TBH, I don't know the answer. We have two healthy goalies. One has played 60 minutes in a bad loss and two period at 100% saves.
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I just can't see them waiving him now. The Montreal game was a horrible performance, but no more so than some of the stinky games Hiller or Ramo has had. The easiest solution (not necessarily the right one) is to return Ramo to the AHL, since he is still under the original waiver. It's not really fair to base a potential loss of a player to waivers based on one game. He may pass through, but a desperate team may claim him. Then what? We are stuck with the two guys that have failed this season, instead of having one guy that failed one game.
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Had Ortio provided at least a reasonable performance and not let in some stinkers, he would have been the obvious choice to start against Colorado, based on his 1-0 win in the pre-season. That was then, this is now. Ramo kept us in the game long enough to win on offense. A second start should give him a modicum of confidence. Let's hope he takes it to a waiving of Hiller. We need some wins in the bank before we can risk going back to Ortio. If there was an efficient way of doing it, I would send Ortio down for conditioning (bring up a backup).
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The Davidson goal was as close to impossible to stop as you can get. Unless you are Gillies or Bishop or some other 6'4" or taller goalie. Ortio doesn't make that save nor would Hiller. The shot was 93 km/h from the circle. Far enough away to give the shooter enough space in the top of the net. Too close to give time to react. Three goalies and Ramo is the only one to get a regulation win. Ortio didn't get a chance when he could have done better, but Ramo needs to get the next start. He has a chance to step up. He has a little bit of confidence from his first win. We wasn't bad on really any of the goals. The coach and team seem to have confidence in him, but will need to fix the defending on PK's. Too much space still being given. The Oilers were sneaking into free areas that could have been even more dangerous.
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So the question becomes....Who is they? Is Hiller considered to be #1, 2 or 3?
