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Reimer is similar to Bernier. Don't really know if he is anything more than a backup. Would be a shame to fix the rest of the roster holes and still have a big one in net. He is really only the last option. You trade for quality. UFA's can ruin a club.
I just don't see Reimer costing much due to it being the worst time to go UFA as a goalie.
I agree though, I said in the previous post that that doesn't fix things, but it gives Ortio more games, which we all know he needs to perform...
We also know Reimer has a history of being pretty good in short bursts as well. But that creates a goaltending two-headed monster.
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The thing is, all I hear on radio shows is how Calgary have options. I say no and take my chances with Reimer... If that's the price...
If Schneider was worth 9th or 10th overall, who has more worth? He or Fleury?
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If Vasilevsky isn't a starter, it could be good for Ortio. They can get half games each, but I get that that is not a good plan going in.
What about getting Vasilevsky and Reimer?
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Something your failing to Relize is the board hasnt decided on expansion and i doubt it will happen till next year giving rutherford till next year it is who can play the waiting game and rutherford has the cards the flames dont they need a goalie for next season.... The Penguins can stand pat till next summer
The Flames also have the pick of any team looking to get rid of a goalie. There aren't many other teams looking for one right now and if Calgary trades the 6th, then Fire Treliving because that's just as bad as Feaster deals.
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Agreed. Andersen was attractive based on his age and the potential of being a long term solution. But guys like Varlamov or Fleury might be better options for the Flames. The term is inline with the development of Gilles, the cost is lower, and they are more proven as NHL starters.
Yup. It puts the contract of Fleury and others in perspective. I budgeted 6 million for a starter. People told me I was nuts, but that is what it's going to cost.
The only thing I don't like about it is his NHL experience doesn't quite warrant it, and I know that was going to happen, but it doesn't mean I gotta like it.
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It sounds like 5.5M/ye.
I really feel like that's so much for how little experience he has. Around 125 games isn't very many for that high pay.
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He won the cup.
A lot of posters on here also point to Osgood, Crawford, Niemi as bad goalies who won the cup as well. Sure it is a good feat, but like Deeds said, 60+ games plus the playoffs is an entirely different beast.
I read where talks with Andersen are going nowhere. They need him to sign for less than $3m, but no way does he do that. They can't pay him his value, so they may be forced to trade him. They still need to re-sign Lindholm, Rakkel and Pirri. Lindholm isn't going to be cheap, though he may be a bridge deal to help financially.
How many games did Anderson play? I don't think he played many and I was quite surprised!
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Markstrom is a UFA at the end of the year. What if they feel Markstrom isn't capable and they want a guy like Fleury for 2 years.
I think this is the year they test it out and maybe make a TDL move to address it.
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Both of Philly's and Vancouver's goalies are UFA's at the end of next season so they will be in the market for a starter. Elliott and Greiss will be UFA for St. Louis and Brooklyn. There is always teams looking for starting goalies.
Will Demko be ready?
I think Van is going to use Markstrom and get him more time, split with Miller this year, then maybe Markstrom takes over until Demko is ready.
They're going to let Miller walk and then use Markstrom until Demko is ready to go.
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Cam Ward just signed a two year extension at a 3.3 mil cap hit, both years have a 15 team NTC... That's a big pay cut from 6.8 mil...
But that sounds like he is a player who understands his value. Honestly, it probably could be his last contract and with his injuries that's Guarenteed cash for two more years and almost a back-up salary.
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Yesterday, Ray Ferraro thought the flames give up a roster player/prospect and our 2nd for Fleury.
He said a high pick but then meant that we use the 2nd.
Would any of us give up the 2nds that are not ours?
He was saying that those picks become high currency when they have 0 in the first two rounds.
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I am now open to anyone who makes us better. A Goalie makes the team comfortable, possible to make some mistakes without being afraid to. Then players tend to make less mistakes when they're not afraid to.
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Could we do Raymond or Colborne and a 2nd for Fleury?
The pens don't have a pick in the first two rounds. One of those guys save the Pens around 3m in cap space and they get a 2nd. Do we need to throw in a Worherspoon?
Colborne can play any position. He could be the next to play with Crosby as he has size and possibly gets how to play in the NHL now. Going to the net = goal.
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What are you basing that on ? overall statistics ? I thought the defense that was remaining at the end was functioning very well, exit Russell and Wideman. I thought Jokipakka stood out with using his reach and size very well to his advantage and should only get better with experience. Wotherspoon also impressed me, he played with a mature approach and some confidence. Nakaladal was steady as well. I quite like the options we have for defense heading into this year.
I think that's it, we will see if it translates. There was a lot talked about games that matter more and how much harder they are to win in the clutch of a playoff push. The pressures are different and in the last 15 games or so, we could've played better because the games weren't as intense, like the argument of players getting points when it doesn't matter. That could've put us a few more points higher and making it seem we were only 10points out of a spot.
Ideally, it translates and we are in the thick of a push until the end next year. I hope we get a coach that pushes puck movement and possession. The way Pittsburgh won is how I want to see our teams for years to come. Get the puck out, push it up ice, attack and cycle. A Good offense is a better defense.
That still doesn't mean giving up A1 chances.
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if your defense is prone to bad plays, high scoring chances and basically hanging the goalie out to dry , then it wont matter who's back there.
This is what I am saying... But I do agree we need better goaltending. I am not saying don't get a better goalie. I was in Ramo's camp until it became evident he wasn't going to fix cheating off the post.
Ortio was very low on my list but has changed my mind a very little bit and if he is dialled in he can perform decently. Is that a goalie coaching thing keeping the goalie ready regardless of how many starts, or is that an on him thing? Mostly him of course...
I think they have some tools...
But I just don't know who is going to do well under our current team because we are prone to giving up high scoring chances. Once we fix that, the goaltending will get better too. BUT! Both need fixing.
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I think it is a team game and to suggest otherwise doesn't make sense. A team's D would effect a goalies' performance and vice versa.
Goalies can give players confidence.
I think anyone suggesting we were only 5 wins out and that scoring chances are a small differential between all teams are looking at things with rose coloured glasses.
Our team gets hemmed in so much, give up a lot of high end scoring chances. Ok, so you say it's only a few more. But high end scoring chances have extreme likelihood of scoring. You give up as many as we do then a good to great goalie can only do so much.
We have good pieces. Hopefully it is just a coaching philosophy. The way we played the year we went to the playoffs was not sustainable and it was proven last year. We had the 5th worst record and a better goalie would still have gotten us to just outside the playoffs looking in. Instead of Drafting 5th (6th) we would have been in the 10th to 13th range. Ok, that's an improvement and where I think we will draft next year with a better goalie unless there is more roster change or a prospect steps up.
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But we've seen that two years in a row and so far we have the same bodies returning. Albeit, they're going to be a year older. Was it the system that garnered our horrible possession #s or both? I think both?
Right now I don't see it changing. We are small and easy to play against.
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I'm necromancing this thread because, well, i suggested we trade for Phil Kessel last season and pretty much got laughed at.
What would it have costed us? Maybe Sven Baertschi, maybe the 1st rounder which we turned into Dougie Hamilton (who appears to be quite a work in progress at the moment), maybe more, maybe less. Who knows but watching him basically lead the Penguins to the Cup, what are everyone's thoughts now?
Some may still be against the trade due to the cost at the time, which is fair. but some of you have to at least take back these comments. Especially, MAC331, Phaneuf + Kessel for Thornton + Marleau? Lol got two things majorly wrong at the same time. Only kehatch and Flames111 saw Kessel as a talent the Flames should have been interested in getting.
Are you boardinging serious?
He won the cup on a team that boasted Crosby and Malkin, PLAYING ON THE boardingING 3RD LINE. On the 3rd line he's not getting the same caliber checkers. You're an idiot...
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I get the goaltending was bad, it truly was. But so was our Defense! Leaving your goalie out to dry so often isn't going to make the new goalie's life easy. Our goaltending numbers may improve a bit, but the team play isn't getting us into the playoffs.
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I understand it is all logical. But Crosby may want Fleury there, if he has any say. We know players don't have a say, but that's not always true when it comes to franchise players.
I am just looking at things the other way. I am not a MAF fan. I hope we don't get him.
I don't like him in games that matter.
But those quoting his numbers in these playoff games have to remember he just came off injury which gave Murray the chance to play. So he was cold.
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That will be an assessment Rutherford will have to determine. Everyone is assuming Murray's performance will allow him to trade MAF and reduce his payroll which many deem necessary there. Smart move would be go with Murray and get a cheaper vet back up.
I agree, but it's just that we can't assume that's the route they will take. Murray played well, yes, but it is still a low number of games to grade him on. He did good, yes, but I wonder if they would wait and see if other teams figure Murray out. Is it possible Murray has weaknesses that get exposed when he plays more?
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What if Pitt still wants MAF? Are they fully sold on Murray?
They went with Murray because Fleury was cold and Murray was in a groove. They didn't necessarily go with Murray because he was the choice.
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I think people are overrating Reimer. He has six seasons in the NHL and yet wasn't able to get the starter reins despite playing on a Toronto team that was desperate for a starter goalie. He was good this season for sure. But other players on the list have been consistently good and are proven to be able to carry a starter load.
With Reimer you are talking about taking the same kind of risks we took when relying on Ramo to be the starter last season. Maybe he is good? Good chance he isn't. This isn't a kid likely to become the next great starter in the NHL. I am not sure why we would want to take that risk if we don't have to. The upside doesn't exist.
I am not saying we should discount him entirely. But if expansion goes through much better options will be available.
Apparently Ortio takes/needs a bunch of games to get going. Having Reimer and Ortio would put us back to a goalie tandem splitting games. Would that work. Even though Ortio didn't get wins he gave the team a chance in some of the games.
I like Reimer more than some,,but I think that has to do with how Carlyle talked about him in media than in his play. I tend to like the underdog and Carlyle, well I am not a fan of his belittle tactics in the media... I thought Reimer showed potential.
He seems to have less stamina so a platoon could be what works for him.
If we want Elliotte, maybe we have to wait for UFA.
What has kept Elliotte consistent is that he always has to prove himself. He could be looking for a new opportunity to prove he can be a starter if the Blues continue to place their chips in Allen's hand.
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I don't understand flames fan who are going to "knock" Fleury for his playoff record. Flames have made the playoffs once in the last 7 seasons. His has 3 years left on his deal and if he can get yo there every year and give you a chance to win even just a round it's a huge win.
But he hadn't given the pens a chance to win a round in most of his playoffs with the Pens. Last year was better than most years.
I won't get into his start this year because it was coming off a long break so he gets a pass on that one.
I say if our goal is to make the playoffs and get a decent regular season from him I will be ok, but don't expect him to perform better than Ramo in the playoffs.
Gotta also point out that the Pens are not and have not been the Flames. It's comparing apples to oranges. Malkin, Crosby, Kunitz, letang, and others to who? Iginla, then a rebuild and now a youth core who got us in on luck that the other teams took a year off.
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That would be a decent tandem. Is our 2nd rounder too high in that trade? Or even for the Fleury deal?
The 6th overall has got to be posturing. But at the same time I don't see the Pens giving Fleury up for little, regardless of what I think of Fleury, and want nothing a part of.