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It's a tough one with goalies. I think they get success from a specific coach coming up, then have a different coach that wants to see some changes. Then some of the fundamentals they've relied on start slipping enough to have an impact.
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There was an article in the Athletic in preseason about Talbot returning to his original goalie coach to try to get back to basics. .
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What's funny is Holland put the Wings in cap hell, the Oilers hire him to get them out of it. lol
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Let's face some facts. Smith as a season long starter is a disaster. 1 series, big whoop he played well in 5 games but we were over-matched regardless. Watching him leave was awesome. Rumours are he wasn't happy for Rittich's ascent and BT stated Rittich would always bow to Smith's wishes. I'd say the only thing Smith was for us, was in the way. How many wristers from the point that he can't track do we need to see? He moves to see through screens so then he's out of position on the shot trajectory. Goalie 101, have your angles down. You don't have to see it if you're where your supposed to be. Goalie 102, stop breakaways, sell something you know that you can take away. Dude sells 5 things at once, now they just make him move and slide it along the ice under him. Tbh, I'm not even sure what his strengths are when I watch him. Angles, no. agility, meh. Athleticism, meh. Rebound control, no. Fast, no. Anticipation, meh. I think his whole career was simply convincing people that he's good and it turned into name recognition.
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I just don't get the, "Development" aspect. At 18 or 26, if you want $6mil per, you can't struggle with the basics. It's amazingly hard to find goalies that don't struggle with the basics. You don't just learn starting at 18, it has to be there already.
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Drafting by stats is painful. With goalies, I'd basically look at Rittich. Even an 18yo already should have the foundation on the basics. If you get an athletic guy like Parsons, it might not work out. Goaltending is 75% science imo. I don't think at that age you would expect to teach a guy lateral movement, angles, anticipation, vision, etc. That should be in place already, then just attention to detail.
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I was reading an article about Talbot's offseason. He was struggling and went back to an old coach to get back to where he was. It highlights just how hard it is to be an NHL goalie. You veer, even just a bit, off of what makes you successful and your career is suddenly in jeopardy. I will admit, I do not think BT understands goaltending. He needs to pass it on to someone else and open the wallet. From the 3 headed monster to Elliott to Smith, he wants to cheap out on goaltending imho. I've never thought BT is good at managing the G position. Just constant band-aids that aren't good enough.
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There certainly could have been things done differently. If the Feaster crew had have treated the closing out on Kipper seriously, things would be different. Maybe we have Vasilevsky, Bishop etc.
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Looks like about 10. But we're talking about one goalie each, pretty much. Not a lot of constant success stories.
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If most every team in the league weren't having the same issue, I would gladly blame Flames staff.
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It amazes me that the book on an NHL goalie is, get it to the point, wrist it on net. He couldn't track Satoshi Nakamoto if he were laying in it. He was the same with us. Fails Trigonometry 101. lol Always felt that way about Luongo. Losing where your net is. Smith is on a whole other level. I cannot believe that an NHL goalie is so poor at angles. Alternatively, I love Rittich, lol. He typically makes that stuff look like a routine save and knows how to be positionally correct and and absorb pucks. Has Smith ever NOT given up a rebound? As the Hip says, "when it falls apart, it really falls apart". lol If you don't have a sound foundation, everything else can go south. And when you have a sound foundation and things go south, just keep relying on it. Easy to see just in breakaways/shootouts Rittich vs Smith. Smith's nickname should be the leaky tank. Holes everywhere.
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Looks like Smith has turned into automatic loss. I've never seen an NHL goalie so poor at tracking wrist shots from the point. Like the Pens' first goal last night.
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Image there's no people Living for today-ay-ay-ay eh?
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That's a pretty generational list there, no? One that has no present context. So Broissoit is your guy? Over Talbot or Rittich? Or are you just ploughing this, Flames can't develop goalies spiel. You're being ridiculous. BT should have kept Giguere or Roloson. lol
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Let's hear them.
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A list of guys that weren't good enough to be NHL goalies. As I said, they're hard to find. You pretend that they are all over the place, like free candy. You're wrong. So list to me, the 4 biggest attributes for a goalie. I'm interested to know how you scout goalies. Or do just think they're all NHL caliber and the orgs ruin their dev? Who are you giving me next, Tim Thomas?
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Okay. jj. Getting a goalie in the system does not legitimize the goalie. He has to put in the work. You can only tell him what to do. If he can't do it? Well, there's only 62 spots in the NHL. Maybe, just maybe, he's not good enough. It doesn't mean the org ruined him. It means goalies are hard to find. Especially goalies that understand how hard it really is.
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It's on the individual, it always is. Look at Dube, who I'd compare to Cirelli. Non-stop motor and very smart. Nobody ruined his development. He is what he is. Look at Rittich. Nobody ruined his development. If you're going to be a top 700 player in the world, you'd better be ready for how hard it is. I don't think any player that doesn't make it can say this or that about their development. They took a flier on you, you couldn't cut it for a multitude of reasons. Stop pointing at others. You failed.
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Which is why I suggested the NYR should have an appetite to move him. But what is fair value? I'm not sure. I wouldn't buy high on him. Is Czarnik buying high? When he hit's the career 60 game mark and becomes waiver eligible, I flush my interest straight down the toilet.
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Just Gillies. I see a pretty bad goalie in him, but that's just me. Not his fault that he got overhyped, but upon watching him, he was definitely oversold. And he's 26 in a month. Goergiev is 2 yrs younger and has shown success at the NHL level. Gillies hasn't. 12 starts, yanked in 3. Add in this past camp and he just struggled with everything.
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Not so much that cross. Between Lundqvist and Shestroykin it's seems Georgiev is the odd man out. If he were waiver exempt, which time is running out on, he could go to the A and we'd have a better just in case goalie there. Not at all saying for the big club. I'm almost thinking the NYRs are going to send him down soon and call up Shestroykin.
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Last week I was hearing a lot of, "with the Avs, 'yotes and Leafs coming up the Flames don't got it easy". What would they like to talk about next? lol The players are maturing. Everyone learns along the way.
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Mental fortitude can be built though, when everyone's on the same page. I know it's cliche but I'll keep saying it, just needed a battle cry. Mental toughness is nothing more than getting more experience in adversity.
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When Georgiev plays 4 more games for the NYR, he'll be waiver eligible. We should target him with some of our extra forwards. Get on it fast, we can start him in the A as a good insurance policy..
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The ol' adage. You win as a team and lose as a team. Including all of the coaches. Give the players a voice, if it doesn't work, switch gears. But they'll buy in a lot better if they feel like they have a voice. Because then, they have to back it up. And if they don't, well, Ward is bulletproof. He tried. And now he has the respect of the players, sure, discuss the plan with them. If they're in a funk. I don't see it happening. It really feels like Ward is making them inclusive of plans, therefore they're also accountable along with him. Seems like a good marriage.
