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In Gilles defence I thought he played very well in he tournament. Yesterday against the Russians he was good but not great ands many of the goals the Russians scored he had no chance on. I don't think the big ice was it at and i don't think he needs excuses. He played very well just not extraordinarily well which is fine by me. How many goalies have you seen play extraordinary in this tournament and it mean anything tot he it career? Doesn't change anything IMO that Gilles is a top prospect for the flames. Edit: I'm not making excuses for him but it hink it's worth noting that was not a very good American team they sent this year especially on the backend. Gilles was a big reason they looked so good early on but it caught up to him and them and personally I'm not surprised they are going home. Very different squad then last years.
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I don't think there is anyway Berra gets 4 mill per as a starter I think if he continues on this pace he is looking at 3 mill MAX which is why I don't see the value in negotiating right now. One season of ok starter play which is best case for Berra as it stands right now, doesn't get you 4 mill especially when there are likely to be more NHL proven options available. 4 million puts him in , Cory Schneider, anti niemi and just below Bobrovsky territory and no way is he worth anything close to that.
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I think you wait. I agree with Kehatch while yes the flames goaltending has played better I think we should stop short of saying we shouldn't be looking or that they've found their goalies. These two have been brutal for a month or so and then good for a month or so and you need to see far more consistency IMO before you anoint them as the answer. I personally wouldn't even think about extending Berra unto he plays the full year and shows me what he can do over a full season. Extending a goalie while they are playing well is one of the worst mistakes a GM can make. Berra isn't playing all enough or looking at enough $ in fa that would make you want to sign him right now.
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I'm not blaming them for any losses as this is all part if the process. But if you want to be an NHL starting goalie you have to make those saves and the big saves are key. Backups give them team chances to win while starters win games and that's the change/development both those guys need to make.
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I think both goalies are progressing but the next step is to stop giving up these big goals, most of them not very good ones, and make key saves. That's going to continue to plague this team if either Ramo or Berra can't start coming up with big saves. That's the main think I ask of a goalie. Flames should have won in regulation last night and it's what you need if you want to be a starting goalie at this level.
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I agree you don't hang the loss on Berra. Having said that you need a save there and that's the difference between being just a goalie in the NHL or an NHL goalie. To date, flames have not been getting that type of save.
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Agreed. If you want to preach you are a performance based team you better practice that and this is a great chance to do so. No question Ramo deserves the next start.
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The funny thing with Ramo is he was actually starting to improve before he essentially got benched. Not improving to and exciting degree but enough that as a coach you'd be a bit intrigued. As mentioned though Hartley really has his favorites and it's clear it's Berra. I agree it's a bit ridiculous especially after they gave Ramo the deal they did.
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How is an NHL backup/AHL starter going to fetch you a nice return? Every team has one or two of those.Edit: for the record I'm not necessarily calling Bera that I'm just pointing out a goalie at that level doesn't have trade value unless there is a lot of upside there.
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And that's fine it's just ridiculous to suggest the flames will go nowhere unless they get a goalie better than kipper. Plenty of teams have great success without an elite goalie and the flames can to if the team is built right.
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A goalie is one piece of the puzzle, that's it. Flames could never get he pieces to work around kipper and that was the issue not kipper. Kipper is better than just about every goalie who has won a cup since he became a flame
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I actually think Roy and Brossoit are very comparable. Both are very athletic goaltenders with good ceilings but both seen to lack the intangibles to name them too end goalies. I'd give the edge to Brossoit because he is a bit younger but I think overal the two of then are pretty similar.
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One game in which he got hung out to dry from his team doesn't equal anything.
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Called out he team in front of him saying they needed to play better defensively. That was after the Detroit game too where he lets n there al softer but he seemed to imply he was let down by the guys in front of him.
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I agree as well sure the flames would be in a playoff spot right now with better goaltending but over 82 games has anybody really seen enough t say that with better goaltending they'd have a shot? I sure haven't. My add on to that though Kehatch is IMO the goalie market is ever changing and IMO has the most options available year after year because some come out of nowhere and there are joust so few spots. Guys like victor fasth, niemi, halak, hiller, holtby, bobrovsky, rinne are all guys that pretty much came out of nowhere and they end up saturating the goalie market and providing a lot of options if you are looking for a goalie. So as long as the flames build a solid team on the ice I think finding a starter to hold the fort down is not as difficult as some think. Yes it's hard to get the elite starters but IMO you don't need that to win in the NHL right now.
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I think people are panicking a bit too much with goaltending. Not saying the decision to role the dice with Ramo/Berra/Mac was the right one I just think people are thinking two or three steps ahead that we don t have a goaltender or a set future there and while it's true it's also year one of a rebuild you aren't t suppose to have everything set. Now if the flames plan on giving this plan more than just this season i would agree its time to worry but for not you try this and if it doesn't work there are stop gap options potentially available in fa with Brian Elliot, hiller, vokoun, emery, jiggy etc not to mention you have more than a few teams that are going to need to make some decisions related to goalies overt he next season or two. Need to remember this is a process it's not a quick project.
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Agreed. I agree that there are more than a few guys who are not being put in positions to succeed but Mac is not one of then. He's done his best but he just isn't that good a goalie. Yes I know there are a select few examples that are going to counter act his point, but generally when you are a 30 plus journeymen player there are reasons for it and that is true in macs case. He played as well as you would expect IMO.
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Confirmed by Hartley. Mac on waivers and Berra on his way up. Could start tomorrow. https://twitter.com/cruickshankch/status/396677136146124800
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Looks like Mac on waivers and Berra on the way up.according to Elliot Friedman https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/396631253929431040
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I don't think its a problem to have this goalie situation for this season as long as it's this season alone. I haven't seen much out of Ramo either but I don't think you abandon the plan altogether without more time and make a panic move. Try it for the season and if Ramo or Berra can't rise up by the end of the season you look outside the organization. One year of potentially bad goaltending is not going to ruin prospects or allowing losing to saturate the organization. Multiple years of that will which is why you try this for a awhile and then make changes.
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They are standard for guys who have proven they can play in the NHL. Contracts should be earned. Money has nothing to do with rfa or UFA status. The age you sign your first NHL contract is what determines the status and because Ramo had an NHL deal at a younger age he falls into the typical UFA rules. Cervenka's deal was his first and at that age you don't retain any rfa status.
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Cervenka is actually a good example of what I'm talking about. One year deal and a low salary so when it didn't work was easy to say goodbye.
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Big difference though is all of those guys got that money after they proved they can play in the NHL. Fasth is a good example as it only took 1 mill to get him over and then once he proved himself he got his money. Ramo got his money, and he's security of a two year deal, with having zero evidence to prove he can even play in he NHL. I don't have any disrespect for he KHL but it's a fair ways below the calibre of the NHL especially in the talent level of shooters so for me I don't think what you do over there should impact your contract here. It should have been a one year prove it deal and if he said no and wanted to stay for more money than best off luck to him. I don't dispute he idea of trying Ramo, althought IMO it was not a good move frond day one, but I do have a problem with how much money they are paying him.
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I won't speak for geo on this one as to why he things Ramo is a bad deal but i do agree with him. Your right dd that he was making a fair bit over there but IMO the flames still owned all the power. IMO Ramo needs the flames more than the flames needed him and if it took as much as it did then I think the flames should have told him to get lost. This is he NHL and it was the flames offering him a chance to show he can play in the NHL and that alone should have been enough for Ramo to consider it and if not are the flames really any worse off? Personally I don't think Ramo should have gotten anything over 2 million and it is a bad contract IMO
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Mac was a safe guard. Putting in two guys with almost no NHL experience is a very risky move imo not just for the results of the flames but for the development of a goalie. Having Mac lets you reduce the pressure on Ramo and Berra to perform right away and allows someone like Berra to adjust to the NA game.
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