24-25 Training Camp

[420since1974]

I can see plenty of room for Coronato on the Flame's roster AFTER Kuzmenko and Mantha are traded at the TDL for draft picks.

Or, if one of Kuzmenko, Mantha, or Coleman get injured prior to then.

In the meantime, let him gain more experience in the AHL.

[Thebrewcrew]

Another fun exhibition game.

 

Sprong splits the Flames PK to score a beauty to toe it. Cooley shaken up on the play. 
 

Bean also missed the 3rd. Calgary might have their top two LHS D sidelined. 

[jjgallow]

9 hours ago, conundrumed said:

Not day 1 they won't. Nor should they.

Plan A is only as good as Plan B.

 

agreed, and kind of a moot point imho.   As fun as exhibition is, most are not ready.   

 

And that's fine.    It's better that way.  

 

For the most part I think we gotta wait for the 2024 draft class to become effective in the NHL (with 2025 class right behind).    Some exceptions though.   Honzek gave me a glimmer of hope back for sure.

[travel_dude]

7 hours ago, jjgallow said:

 

agreed, and kind of a moot point imho.   As fun as exhibition is, most are not ready.   

 

And that's fine.    It's better that way.  

 

For the most part I think we gotta wait for the 2024 draft class to become effective in the NHL (with 2025 class right behind).    Some exceptions though.   Honzek gave me a glimmer of hope back for sure.

 

Pre-season is not a great measure of the team but it does show the guys that are pushing harder.  Pospisil and Zary already showing as being ready to take another step.  Coronato and Honzek seem to be ready or very close.  Honzek's size helps.  Solo is a beast and is getting noticed as another Pachal type.  Grush, Bruce, even Poirier look good.  Morton is a dog.  I'm leaving out a few, but this new waive is getting close.

 

For the guys not NHL yet, the AHL will help.  Poirier is not going to get better there.  He has a NHL level of compete, but he needs to work with players at the same level.  Typically, 4th liner NHL regulars are not that fit.  Back to that old issue of 4th line grit vs 4th line hustle.  Lomberg is a combo of both.  Rooney not much of either, just a spare NHL C.  Duehr hasn't done anything for me this year yet.    

[jjgallow]

37 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

Pre-season is not a great measure of the team but it does show the guys that are pushing harder.  Pospisil and Zary already showing as being ready to take another step.  Coronato and Honzek seem to be ready or very close.  Honzek's size helps.  Solo is a beast and is getting noticed as another Pachal type.  Grush, Bruce, even Poirier look good.  Morton is a dog.  I'm leaving out a few, but this new waive is getting close.

 

For the guys not NHL yet, the AHL will help.  Poirier is not going to get better there.  He has a NHL level of compete, but he needs to work with players at the same level.  Typically, 4th liner NHL regulars are not that fit.  Back to that old issue of 4th line grit vs 4th line hustle.  Lomberg is a combo of both.  Rooney not much of either, just a spare NHL C.  Duehr hasn't done anything for me this year yet.    

 

Agreed.  And...I'll say it one last time, I was actually very happy with Parekh.   Compare across the league the number of players his age not named Misa who got that many goals, high-quality shots in training camp / preseason.     He's the kind of guy who might be 4 years out (to actually learn defence)  but when he does come in he's a bonafide superstar.  If he listens, of course.  Every reason to think he will.

 

Honzek impressed me and brought back my hope.  but, this guy reminds me a little bit of a young Backlund.....he could go either way.     He could move up maybe next year into a support role and become very good at that role, like Backlund did,

 

Or you let him develop longer on the first line in junior/AHL, and wait until he's ready to come up as a key offensive contributor.   Those big guys can translate easier but their offense won't improve if we throw them on the 4th line.  I hope they let him marinate.

[cross16]

Basha and Gridin being sent to Junior

 

 

[Thebrewcrew]

Thought Parekh might be re-assigned today as well. Probably gets the game Saturday. Play in a home game, then back to Saginaw 

[travel_dude]

1 hour ago, jjgallow said:

 

Agreed.  And...I'll say it one last time, I was actually very happy with Parekh.   Compare across the league the number of players his age not named Misa who got that many goals, high-quality shots in training camp / preseason.     He's the kind of guy who might be 4 years out (to actually learn defence)  but when he does come in he's a bonafide superstar.  If he listens, of course.  Every reason to think he will.

 

Honzek impressed me and brought back my hope.  but, this guy reminds me a little bit of a young Backlund.....he could go either way.     He could move up maybe next year into a support role and become very good at that role, like Backlund did,

 

Or you let him develop longer on the first line in junior/AHL, and wait until he's ready to come up as a key offensive contributor.   Those big guys can translate easier but their offense won't improve if we throw them on the 4th line.  I hope they let him marinate.

 

I'm not sure about the comps right now.  Not really a Zary type.  Maybe a Pospisil without the hate.  The two worked together this summer so maybe that's the signal.  He is blocked from top 9 by players like Coleman.  He has to be as good as Pospisil and Zary to get there.  

[travel_dude]

2 minutes ago, Thebrewcrew said:

Thought Parekh might be re-assigned today as well. Probably gets the game Saturday. Play in a home game, then back to Saginaw 

 

I don't think he makes it to the opening night roster because of the sheer numbers of players requiring waivers.  While it might not be a bad thing for him to play up to the last pre-season game, I just don't see a situation that makes sense for him to play any regular season games.  Staying at camp helps him get tips that he might not get in junior (they want to win).  The Flames send him off with a checklist to work on.  

 

Of course, the last thing you want to happen is him missing nailing down a spot in junior.  PP role, ice time, etc.  If he needs to be there, we shouldn't hold him back.  He's a shoe-in for WJC.  

 

Basha had a good showing but it was time.  Gridin got his licks in early so it was also time.  I hope he progresses well there.

[JTech780]

The little bit I have been able to watch of the pre-season I thought Basha looked really good and comfortable out there. There is a lot of reasons to be optimistic about his development. Look forward to seeing what he can do this year.

[JTech780]

Seravalli was on the SN 960 the other day and pretty much said it was a foregone conclusion that Barrie is getting a contract. Steinberg seemed to be in agreement with that as well.

 

I am going to reserve judgement on that till Insee how everything plays out. I think Brew should get some time in the AHL regardless of how well he shows in camp, IMO that’s what is best for his development, he will get his opportunity. Tinordi has always been an AHL depth signing in my mind. I think Pachal is a great 6/7 option, he plays a steady safe game. Solovyov might end up being the guy that gets caught in the numbers game as he is waiver eligible, but while he is steady and safe there has never been anything that jumps out about his game and screams everyday NHLers to me. I think he will get passed by Grushnikov soon, if he hasn’t already.

 

I think there will be opportunities for young players as the season goes along, and Barrie can be a veteran place holder for the time being.

[JTech780]

I think Coronato is doing exactly what you want a young player to do, he is forcing the coaching and management staff to make a difficult decision. Is he going to keep pushing and force someone down the lineup or even off the roster, that’s what he has to do and that’s why you want to create competition for jobs. Last year he was penciled into the opening night lineup and it didn’t work out, now he needs to force his way in and you are seeing a hungrier more determined Coronato.

[travel_dude]

17 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

Seravalli was on the SN 960 the other day and pretty much said it was a foregone conclusion that Barrie is getting a contract. Steinberg seemed to be in agreement with that as well.

 

I am going to reserve judgement on that till Insee how everything plays out. I think Brew should get some time in the AHL regardless of how well he shows in camp, IMO that’s what is best for his development, he will get his opportunity. Tinordi has always been an AHL depth signing in my mind. I think Pachal is a great 6/7 option, he plays a steady safe game. Solovyov might end up being the guy that gets caught in the numbers game as he is waiver eligible, but while he is steady and safe there has never been anything that jumps out about his game and screams everyday NHLers to me. I think he will get passed by Grushnikov soon, if he hasn’t already.

 

I think there will be opportunities for young players as the season goes along, and Barrie can be a veteran place holder for the time being.

 

I would say that what I have seen so far has Solo and Pachal about even.  One is a prospect one is a waiver claim.  I would try to hang onto both if possible.  It almost makes more sense to have 8D so that you can run 4 sets of D in practices.  Limit your F to 13.  Or 12 and carry 3 goalies if that is the worry.  I don't think it would be the right idea, though.  Cooley will likely pass through waivers unless there is a glaring shortage out there.  No team really wants 3 NHL goalies, though it happened a few times last year.

[cross16]

The argument for signing Barrie comes down to the PP IMO. Weegar and Andersson are good but past that you don't really have a PP option as it's a steep drop off. Bean, maybe, but he's been really up and down throughout his career and the rest don't really factor in.  As much as many want to have the "just plays the kids" mentality it's also clear that this is an organization that is not interested in just playing the kids at all cost. They want to get off to a good start and see what they can do before they start shipping everyone off.

 

Not what I would do but that's the logic behind signing Barrie for me. 

[JTech780]

13 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

I would say that what I have seen so far has Solo and Pachal about even.  One is a prospect one is a waiver claim.  I would try to hang onto both if possible.  It almost makes more sense to have 8D so that you can run 4 sets of D in practices.  Limit your F to 13.  Or 12 and carry 3 goalies if that is the worry.  I don't think it would be the right idea, though.  Cooley will likely pass through waivers unless there is a glaring shortage out there.  No team really wants 3 NHL goalies, though it happened a few times last year.

I would say that I have seen more from Pachal than Solovyov, but that’s just my opinion. They are also less than a year apart in age so they are about equal in my mind.

[cross16]

the only player I think the Flames won't want to expose to waivers is Pelletier as I strongly suspect he'd get claimed. Up and down since drafted yes, small yes, but there is still a lot to like there. I think a team, like SJ, who doesn't have much depth would roll the dice. 

 

I don't have concerns placing anyone else on waivers

[conundrumed]

1 minute ago, cross16 said:

the only player I think the Flames won't want to expose to waivers is Pelletier as I strongly suspect he'd get claimed. Up and down since drafted yes, small yes, but there is still a lot to like there. I think a team, like SJ, who doesn't have much depth would roll the dice. 

 

I don't have concerns placing anyone else on waivers

Full agreement.

As for Barrie, I guess we kinda need him as a PP specialist and try to minimize the damage with 3rd line minutes.

It's not ideal, but guys like him, Ghostisbehere and Gustavsson always stay employed due to PP. For better or worse.

Really highlights the value of Dmen that can run a PP AND be defensively sound.

[travel_dude]

23 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

I would say that I have seen more from Pachal than Solovyov, but that’s just my opinion. They are also less than a year apart in age so they are about equal in my mind.

 

4 minutes ago, cross16 said:

the only player I think the Flames won't want to expose to waivers is Pelletier as I strongly suspect he'd get claimed. Up and down since drafted yes, small yes, but there is still a lot to like there. I think a team, like SJ, who doesn't have much depth would roll the dice. 

 

I don't have concerns placing anyone else on waivers

 

My only concerns with waiving Solovyov is his age.  A young 24 year old, with decent junior and KHL numbers, and a countryman of Sharky.  The latter not being as important, but I think we are just scratching the surface with him. 

[conundrumed]

26 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

I would say that I have seen more from Pachal than Solovyov, but that’s just my opinion. They are also less than a year apart in age so they are about equal in my mind.

I've really liked Pachal since claiming him. He has flaws, to be certain, but he can still learn from his mistakes.

eg. Stop going down to block passes.

[conundrumed]

2 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

 

My only concerns with waiving Solovyov is his age.  A young 24 year old, with decent junior and KHL numbers, and a countryman of Sharky.  The latter not being as important, but I think we are just scratching the surface with him. 

There will be plenty of Dmen in his predicament. I think he clears simply due to volume.

ARI taking Valimaki was pretty dumb imho. Didn't really make sense then or now.

The hyperbole afterwards was equally silly. If Valimaki is above your 6D, you've got bigger problems.

It's a drag that he was a pretty big miss at his draft position. Oh well, it happens.

[cross16]

18 minutes ago, travel_dude said:

 

 

My only concerns with waiving Solovyov is his age.  A young 24 year old, with decent junior and KHL numbers, and a countryman of Sharky.  The latter not being as important, but I think we are just scratching the surface with him. 

 

I think the counter to that though is basically every organization has a dman like him. I think organization are always going to lean towards what they have versus testing the external. 

 

I still like Solo but still think he clears.

[JTech780]

25 minutes ago, cross16 said:

the only player I think the Flames won't want to expose to waivers is Pelletier as I strongly suspect he'd get claimed. Up and down since drafted yes, small yes, but there is still a lot to like there. I think a team, like SJ, who doesn't have much depth would roll the dice. 

 

I don't have concerns placing anyone else on waivers

 

Yeah, I think they trade Pelletier before exposing him to waivers. I see him as a long shot to make the roster, so I think they try and move him for a 2nd or a 3rd. 

[cross16]

2 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

Yeah, I think they trade Pelletier before exposing him to waivers. I see him as a long shot to make the roster, so I think they try and move him for a 2nd or a 3rd. 

 

Can try but I would expect a 4th and nothing more if they did go that route. 

 

I think they keep him and try to work him in myself. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as you do. 

[JTech780]

New training camp groups. Interesting that they separated Huberdeau and Mantha, I thought they wanted to work on their chemistry. 

[JTech780]

10 minutes ago, cross16 said:

 

Can try but I would expect a 4th and nothing more if they did go that route. 

 

I think they keep him and try to work him in myself. I don't think he's as much of a long shot as you do. 

 

Fair, I suppose I could see them rotating him and Duehr in on the 4th line. I just don't see any other spot for him on the roster. I also think Coronato is going to force himself onto the roster to start the season, so they might have to start the season with 14 forwards.