Kulstad Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chicago-blackhawks-place-bryan-bickell-on-waivers-after-edmonton-oilers-trade-talks-fall-through/ Apparently, the Hawks wanted Nikita Nikitin from the Oilers, but the deal fell through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 would have been a great deal for the Hawks had they been able to pull it off. Bickell is one of the rare mistake that Bowman and co have made. that deal was horrible the 2nd they signed it and a bit out of character because they've been pretty good at not getting too "sentimental" with players. I don't think he gets claimed becuase i can't see a team wanting that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire11 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 would have been a great deal for the Hawks had they been able to pull it off. Bickell is one of the rare mistake that Bowman and co have made. that deal was horrible the 2nd they signed it and a bit out of character because they've been pretty good at not getting too "sentimental" with players. I don't think he gets claimed becuase i can't see a team wanting that contract. Your right I can't see too many teams wanting to jump in to help with Bowmans mistake. On the other hand. "they've been pretty good at not getting too "sentimental" with players." Kane and Teows (21 mil) do not equal Giordano,Hamilton,Frolik,Brodie (21.4 mil) I'm doubt I would trade Monahan and JG for Kane and Toews ( just me being "sentimental" I guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Your right I can't see too many teams wanting to jump in to help with Bowmans mistake. On the other hand. "they've been pretty good at not getting too "sentimental" with players." Kane and Teows (21 mil) do not equal Giordano,Hamilton,Frolik,Brodie (21.4 mil) I'm doubt I would trade Monahan and JG for Kane and Toews ( just me being "sentimental" I guess) Signing 2 of the NHL's best players for what at the time was a market value contract isn't sentimental, its just good business. of course at their current salaries you would take JG and Mony in a heartbeat but that's not a fair comparison. Give Mony/JG 5 to 6 years in the league procuding at their current or better levels and then tell me what you expect them to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Cross is right... Then factor in three cups. Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccsberg Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Your right I can't see too many teams wanting to jump in to help with Bowmans mistake. On the other hand. "they've been pretty good at not getting too "sentimental" with players." Kane and Teows (21 mil) do not equal Giordano,Hamilton,Frolik,Brodie (21.4 mil) I'm doubt I would trade Monahan and JG for Kane and Toews ( just me being "sentimental" I guess) Correct, Kane & Toews are way overpaid, even as star players. Heck, pretty much all star players are overpaid for that matter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilersAreHighlyFlammable Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Signing 2 of the NHL's best players for what at the time was a market value contract isn't sentimental, its just good business. of course at their current salaries you would take JG and Mony in a heartbeat but that's not a fair comparison. Give Mony/JG 5 to 6 years in the league procuding at their current or better levels and then tell me what you expect them to make. Couldn't disagree more, that is well above market value for what either players brings to the team. Not good business when you factor-in the contracts may be what keeps them from another cup, due to lack of money for depth players. There are other players with better contracts that bring the same to the table as Kane and Toews that I would much rather have on my team. They're horrendous contracts, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zirakzigil Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Not surprised when they didnt find a taker for him. Cost of winning and the Hawks definately have winning down to a science. Scary thing is that their window is probably open for another 2-3 years, depending on Kane of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senor_incendiarse Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 Couldn't disagree more, that is well above market value for what either players brings to the team. Not good business when you factor-in the contracts may be what keeps them from another cup, due to lack of money for depth players. There are other players with better contracts that bring the same to the table as Kane and Toews that I would much rather have on my team. They're horrendous contracts, to say the least. If you're banking on them being Art Ross or Richard trophy winners year in and year out, then yes they aren't quite up there with the Crosby's or others, but just out of curiosity who are these players with better contracts with 5+ years of experience that bring the same to the table. These two are a rarity, come playoff time in games 5-7 of a series when many stars can get shut down or worn down they consistently take over the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilersAreHighlyFlammable Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 If you're banking on them being Art Ross or Richard trophy winners year in and year out, then yes they aren't quite up there with the Crosby's or others, but just out of curiosity who are these players with better contracts with 5+ years of experience that bring the same to the table. These two are a rarity, come playoff time in games 5-7 of a series when many stars can get shut down or worn down they consistently take over the series. My point was; None of that will matter when the team's depth is non-existent due to those crippling contracts. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they're phenomenal clutch performers, but no player is worth that much, it's just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob1974 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 My point was; None of that will matter when the team's depth is non-existent due to those crippling contracts. Don't get me wrong, I agree that they're phenomenal clutch performers, but no player is worth that much, it's just ridiculous. I think, in relation to other sports, hockey players should be worth that much, but the fact is, the NHL doesn't have the same revenue. The NHL should've put a % max of the Cap a player could make i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbreaker Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 The NHL should've put a % max of the Cap a player could make i I think they do, actually. I recall it being around 20%. I believe that Ovechkin was making the max when he signed his contract. Love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Couldn't disagree more, that is well above market value for what either players brings to the team. Not good business when you factor-in the contracts may be what keeps them from another cup, due to lack of money for depth players. There are other players with better contracts that bring the same to the table as Kane and Toews that I would much rather have on my team. They're horrendous contracts, to say the least. Yes but when where thy signed? What superstar has signed a big extension like Kane and Towes did last summer.? It's not fair to compare the toews and Kane deals to guys llike Crosby, Malkin etc because there deals were signed under very different economic circumstances and at different levels of the cap. PK Subban signed at 9 mill per seasons and toews and Kane arnt worth 10? Not a chance. Look at their team this year and then look at their farm system and try and tell me depth is going to be an issue for them. Their depth is arguably better this year than it was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob1974 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't think Subban is worth 9. But that's a different discussion, I would say Kane and Toews are worth about 8.5, only because the NHL's revenue structures and relation to the cap. The only reason Chicago could be deeper is because they fleeced other teams in some of the salary dumps. Also, we know salary dumps don't always work out that great, like when we needed to get rid of Theo Fleury. Reggie was good, but he was the only one that amounted to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehatch Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 You can't criticize Chicago for what they did previously because they won 3 cups. They are the modern dynasty. I get that it's easier to criticize the recent contracts. But if you have a modern dynasty you keep the core intact. Time will tell if they can win by being that top heavy. But what choice did they have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Here is some food for thought for those who think the Hawks overpaid or are triying to criticize what they did. Crosby's cap hit is 8.7 on a deal he signed for the 13-14 season with a Salary cap of 64.3 mill. That is 14% of the salary cap and also keep it mind it was a 12 year front loaded deal that is no longer allowed. Evgeni Malkin is also a cap hit of 9.5 mill pers season which kickedin last year with a salary cap of 69 mill or 14% of the cap. Alex Ovechkin is a 9.5 cap hit that stared in 2009 when he signed a 13 year deal (also not allowed anymore) at a salary cap of 56.7 million or 17% of the cap number. Toews and Kane are identical 10.5 mill cap hit starting this year on a cap of 71 million or 15% of the cap. Towes and Kane are right in the ballpark for where they should be paid when you look past the dollar amound and look at % of the slaary cap which is what you need to do otherwise you arn't comparing apples to applies, you're comparing apples to oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robrob1974 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I don't think Crosby or ovechkin or the others were worth their contracts then either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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