2013 Draft: Best Options Outside Iss Top 30 Ranked Players

[joeyabs]

Another name who I have seen going very late in mock drafts is Ryan Pulock. Hes ranked anywhere from top 10 to as low as 30. Hes ranked as an ok defenseman but hes got a shot clocked in excess of 100mph. We havent had a d like that since macinnis. Good chance he slips to the pitt pick.

However if morin is avaliable I would be hard pressed to bypass him

Yeah I think hes one of the best defensemen in the draft and expect him to be gone before our 2nd pick imo (Pulock that is).. I like morin as a draftchoice, but not if we pick another defenseman in the fist round.

[flamesfanatic89]

Andre Burakovsky

They need a winger to play with Baertchi and they play the same style.

 

And Fucale, Hägg and Mueller will be of the board by then. But I'd pick Hägg with the STL pick

[phoenix66]

One thing that baffles me is ive seen a few mock drafts that have us taking madison bowey with morin still on the board..I would take morin over bowey

[joeyabs]

I was going for a hypothetical situation where the ISS top 30 choices were already taken, but the post has gone off topic. Furcale, hagg and mueller are all out of the top 30 on this board. But i agree that they will likely be gone..

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=92324

Ex: Pulock, morin, burakowski, petan and everone from above link are already picked. So put on your GM hat.

WHO do you draft with your pick?

[Flyerfan52]

It seems that the position that takes longest to develop is goalie, then defense & lastly forward. Unless there's a unique player like Martin Brodeur or Chris Pronger that can step straight into the NHL you are looking @ a longer time span to see what that smiling young fellow becomes. A large part is the responsiblities that come with each slot. When your job is to stop the puck angles become more important as do quick thought process/reactions & outlet passes.

If you want a player that will be ready to play very soon (often to keep the paying public happy) the odds increase when you pick a forward. A center is most valuable as they normally carry more defensive responsibilities then wingers & are easier to convent to wing then the opposite. A good center (not star) can often be traded for a partially trained defense like a Seidenberg. 

Ideally I'd love to take a stud defenseman with 1 of our 1st rounders but the odds of that are slim. Targeting a specific position is like targeting a specific skill/asset (speed, size, whatever). The 1 asset that matters most is heart/competiveness. All the skill in the world doesn't help if the player doesn't give a dang.

So you do draft the BPA because you are drafting assets that might not ever wear your jersey. If a winger outshines all others available you snag him (after accounting for other variables like health, attitude, etc). If close enough to flip a coin then think of current needs if you believe he's that close to the big show.

 

Lots of people are mentioning a big center that is also talented & tough. Big doesn't = tough as Mike Richards is 6'0" & 200 lb while Brad Marchand is 5'9", 183 lb but both play big. Neither is a behemoth.

[JTech780]

The more I see and read about Dauphin, the bigger fan I become. If he was just a little bigger I think he would be ranked much higher. He has a high level hockey IQ. He is high on my list of guys to take with that Pittsburgh pick.

With the amount of talent in the top 75 this year I kind of hope that Calgary tries to trade down from the St. Louis pick and grab a 2nd. There is a lot of big skilled defensemen that should be available in the 2nd.

Dillon Heatherington

Jonathan-Ismael Diaby

Brett Pesce

Eric Roy

Carl Dahlstrom

Mike Downing

Mason Geertsen

Gustav Olofsson

All those guys are 6'3" or bigger, I am really intrigued by Pesce. He is already playing college hockey for New Hampshire.

[joeyabs]

Those look mostly like round 3 guys ( or late second 55ish +). What would we get for tanguay or cammaleri?

[cross16]

The more I see and read about Dauphin, the bigger fan I become. If he was just a little bigger I think he would be ranked much higher. He has a high level hockey IQ. He is high on my list of guys to take with that Pittsburgh pick.

With the amount of talent in the top 75 this year I kind of hope that Calgary tries to trade down from the St. Louis pick and grab a 2nd. There is a lot of big skilled defensemen that should be available in the 2nd.

Dillon Heatherington

Jonathan-Ismael Diaby

Brett Pesce

Eric Roy

Carl Dahlstrom

Mike Downing

Mason Geertsen

Gustav Olofsson

All those guys are 6'3" or bigger, I am really intrigued by Pesce. He is already playing college hockey for New Hampshire.

 

While I agree about the top 75 of this draft I don't like the idea of passing up a Morin, Rychel, Erne Hagg etc just to get a chance to draft another prospect that while solid is not likely to have high upside. I think the Flames need to use this draft to inject that talent and upside into thier system and I still think there are some really good names in the 3rd round, like a Steve Santini or John Hayden, that will add that depth.

 

I would like an extra pick but i'm just not for dropping out of that St Louis pick to do so. I'd be find dropping out of the Pittsbrug pick but not the Blues one. I'm also for trading some players off the roster to try and pick up a 2nd or 3rd or two.

[JTech780]

While I agree about the top 75 of this draft I don't like the idea of passing up a Morin, Rychel, Erne Hagg etc just to get a chance to draft another prospect that while solid is not likely to have high upside. I think the Flames need to use this draft to inject that talent and upside into thier system and I still think there are some really good names in the 3rd round, like a Steve Santini or John Hayden, that will add that depth.

 

I would like an extra pick but i'm just not for dropping out of that St Louis pick to do so. I'd be find dropping out of the Pittsbrug pick but not the Blues one. I'm also for trading some players off the roster to try and pick up a 2nd or 3rd or two.

I was more thinking that if there was a team that wanted to jump up a couple of spots to grab a certain player and were willing to give Calgary their 1st and a 2nd, that there is enough talent in this draft that Calgary can get a similar level talent at 25 as they can get at 21, plus add a 2nd. I wouldn't trade that pick for 2 2nd's.

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[redfire11]

We're nearly slated to take Petan with that pick.

 

When you have the opportunity to take the highest-scoring player in the entire draft with a late first-round pick, it has to be seriously considered.

+1 for this kid with our Pitts pick.  St.Louis/Fleury type player. Small yes but potential through the roof. If anyone is wanting picks with size only we have a 6th and 21st pick. We need to generate excitement on this team .

[JTech780]

+1 for this kid with our Pitts pick.  St.Louis/Fleury type player. Small yes but potential through the roof. If anyone is wanting picks with size only we have a 6th and 21st pick. We need to generate excitement on this team .

It's hard not to get excited about his scoring numbers, but I have read that there is some concerns about his skating and when you are that size and you aren't a great skater then you aren't going to have much success in the NHL. Even if he is an average to above average skater that still isn't good enough IMO.

[joeyabs]

I was going for a hypothetical situation where the ISS top 30 choices were already taken, but the post has gone off topic. Furcale, hagg and mueller are all out of the top 30 on this board. But i agree that they will likely be gone..http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=92324

Ex: Pulock, morin, burakowski, petan and everone from above link are already picked. So put on your GM hat.

WHO do you draft with your pick?

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[DirtyDeeds]

Another name who I have seen going very late in mock drafts is Ryan Pulock. Hes ranked anywhere from top 10 to as low as 30. Hes ranked as an ok defenseman but hes got a shot clocked in excess of 100mph. We havent had a d like that since macinnis. Good chance he slips to the pitt pick.

However if morin is avaliable I would be hard pressed to bypass him

I am pretty sure Babs shot hit over 100 MPH in a skill contest year before last. Just saying.....

[Flyerfan52]

Another name who I have seen going very late in mock drafts is Ryan Pulock. Hes ranked anywhere from top 10 to as low as 30. Hes ranked as an ok defenseman but hes got a shot clocked in excess of 100mph. We havent had a d like that since macinnis. Good chance he slips to the pitt pick.

However if morin is avaliable I would be hard pressed to bypass him

I agree he'd be a good pick if available with either of our later picks. He seems to be on an upward track. He's captain of the Wheaties (leadership/character) & logs big minutes for them.

We've had a few local articles during the season (prior to draft speculation) & I gather he's offensive while being defensively sound. Also seems to be a good open ice hitter which slows the attacking horde. They also spoke highly of his on-ice vision helping create scoring opportunities.

Like most 18 year old defensive prospects he'd probably need a year or 2 to bulk up & further increase his skills but this 1 seems worth the wait.

The big shot is a bonus BTW. In a Babchuk it's his main talent but if you get a player that takes a regular shift among the top 4 it's an asset on the PP.

 

I've got a hunch the Jets will snag him prior to our St. Louis pick but if he's there I hope Feather & Co. think hard about taking him.

[joeyabs]

 

I've got a hunch the Jets will snag him prior to our St. Louis pick but if he's there I hope Feather & Co. think hard about taking him.

Pulock or Morrissey with second pick would be awesome - the rankings are all over the place it seems after the top 10 or so ( never know until draft day ), but i think Pulock will be gone.

http://www.mynhldraft.com/2013-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings

Top 30 rankings from 8 different sources side by side - not much consensus outside of the very top picks.

[JohnGillette]

Wasn't aware he was leaving.  Good news.  Didn't think he did enough to warrant another contract.   On with the next experiment.

   I think he should get another contract later in the season he was starting to pick his game up fairly decently and putting up points have to remember he came in rough shape with that blood clot to go along with language barrier and never playing on north American rinks which is quite the hurdles to climb and think he did pretty well given all those things to get over

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[nwmikaelib]

Guys i really like Dickinson or Klimchuk with our 3rd pick.

Dickinson: Big hard-nosed type with some soft mitts

Klimchuk: Sees the ice very well. He may not be as consistent as some would like but i say take the risk with the third pick. The talent is definitely there, plus the kid has a wicked shot.

[WolfzLair]

Pavel Buchnevich

Pavel Buchnevich is a highly skilled Russian forward who may become a top scorer on right wing with his explosive left-handed shot.

Buchnevich has played excellent hockey when he has faced top international competition. He gets creative with the puck in the offensive zone and he has outstanding skating ability.

At 6'1" and 170 pounds, Buchnevich has the kind of frame that will enable him to put on more weight and strength. He has excellent one-on-one moves and he is not afraid when he gets the puck in traffic.

Interesting find on him @ bleacherreport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1453523-5-international-nhl-prospects-who-could-be-the-next-evgeni-malkin

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I don't think he will be the next Malkin. But would like to see the Flames get this kid.

[etianap]

I want to ask you what are the odds you see for Zach Fucale to be picked in the first 20 overall options. Which are the teams interested for a goalie? I'm not particularly interested in him since the Flames had a lot of talented goalies in the system that need confidence and matches. I'm thinking that with Fucale in the first 20, some good skaters and Ds like Gauthier, Pullock or Horvat could slip to be picked with Saint Louis option.

[jjgallow]

It has been a bit baffling to me that Nic Petan isn't even one of the options on here.

 

Literally ranked to be our late pick, and being the highest scoring player in the whole draft, it amazed me that his size alone would make him not even a consideration.

 

Things have changed.  With the way the Memorial Cup is going, it's Nathan Mackinon, Nic Petan, and everyone else.

 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?season=2012&leagueid=M-Cup&nation=&sort=u21

 

 

I can basically guarantee that he won't even be available for our Pittsburgh pick anymore.   He'll be long gone.

 

We should, however, consider him with our St. Louis pick.  He's that good.

[cross16]

It has been a bit baffling to me that Nic Petan isn't even one of the options on here.

 

Literally ranked to be our late pick, and being the highest scoring player in the whole draft, it amazed me that his size alone would make him not even a consideration.

 

Things have changed.  With the way the Memorial Cup is going, it's Nathan Mackinon, Nic Petan, and everyone else.

 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/league.php?season=2012&leagueid=M-Cup&nation=&sort=u21

 

 

I can basically guarantee that he won't even be available for our Pittsburgh pick anymore.   He'll be long gone.

 

We should, however, consider him with our St. Louis pick.  He's that good.

 

I do not agree. I still don't view Petan as a first round pick and there are many, many better options at low 20s than Petan. Petan may look very skilled but I don't see his game transitioning well into the pros. I can live with him at the Pens pick, wouldn't be happy with it though, but I would be very upset with taking him at the Blues pick. The stats may not show it, but he's been only OK at the Memorial Cup and IMO puts up a lot of his points because of the talent around him.

[joeyabs]

The point of the poll was for you to pick someone that was outside of the top30 ( assuming the top 30 ranked players have already been chosen - ISS top 30 link provided in topic post ) *Thats why Petan wasn't included

Not to choose whoever you felt like taking, as most of those players will already be gone.