Oilers

[DirtyDeeds]

How is the standard of being competitive playoffs but then missing it but being close is being competitive? You either make it or you don't.

 

The standard doesn't change because a team just barely misses out. When there are 5+ teams all fighting for the last couple of playoff spots up to the last couple of games doesn't auto negate that the losing teams were close and a playoff bubble team. That was Flames111 point that totally went over your head. All you are doing is taking your stand because it improves the look of your team by presenting it that way. When you say well the Flames and Oilers both lost out on the playoff spot you aren't accurately describing the fact the Flames were in the hunt until the end, something the Oilers weren't even close to accomplishing that season or the year before

 

Yeah, teams that make it to 8th place can win the cup but if you think the Flames had a potential Stanley Cup winning team any of the last few years you're sadly mistaken. Both these points are moot. The Flames fell down the standings this season and even if you considered them a competitive team because they were close to the playoffs, they aren't close anymore.

 

I never said the Flames had Stanley Cup potential, you again want to put some weird perspective on it. I said the LA Kings proved that all a team has to do is make 8th place and that playoffs spot to have a chance to win the cup. It is a fact now and you or anyone else couldn't say that before because it had never happened. Frankly your view that they weren't a 8th place team is irrelevant. The standings after an 82 game schedule proves it.

 

 

And what would you know? Neither the Oilers nor the Flames have even been contenders in a long time.

 

Again you ignore the actual point to act all butt hurt.. The whole reason the Flames were competing for a playoff spot and the Oilers weren't is the winning attitude. Instead you want to take it as an insult and argue it. Suit yourself bury your head in the sand, because frankly I could care less your team open their eyes to the losing attitude that has loomed over your Oilers for years now.

 

See right there, you are being insulting. Try to be civilized.

 

If Flames' ownership was putting the wants and desires ahead of maximizing return, that would be affecting his trade value. The Flames could have asked Iginla to waive his NTC the first season after the Flames missed the playoffs and they would have gotten a lot more for him, one would presume.

 

Maybe I am wrong and the concept of treating your players like "people and with respect" is just beyond your comprehension. If you treat players like you say and only as $$ and contracts there is little wonder in my mind why Edmonton has such trouble attracting FA or Players to come play for them. No doubt the Flames could have gotten more for Iggy(trading him 2 years ago) or JBo(taking back salary) and under different circumstances. They lost a bit of extra  payback in the actual deal only. The fact they traded JBo in such a way(timing) so he could keep his Ironman streak alive, you can bet there are players who sat up and took notice. The payback we get now is reputation gains down the road when a players signs here because of how well the Flames treat their players.

 

So in Flames111 post he said:

 

and you replied:

That statement you made about RNH is aggrivating. First off, you likely hold no knowledge on the subject yet make statements like that. RNH has had a shoulder injury all season and played through it.

 

 

So when you say to me:

It sure sounds like you are using RNH as an excuse to me.

 

 

Anyway I am done trying to explain simple concepts to you. Re-read Flames111 post if you still don't understand this stuff. He went into great detail for you.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Oil Kings beat Hitmen

[wally31]

Oil Kings beat Hitmen

 

Laurent Brossoit with 1st star of the game, 5th shutout of the playoffs.

12-1-3 , 1.58gaa , .941sv , 5so. 

[bronco73]

Not that you would take time to look into the Oilers prospect pool but the majority of the Oilers prospects are defencemen. The defensive depth in prospects (not playing in the NHL) is by far the Oilers strongest area. The Oilers are short on centres of all kinds and top 6 forwards. The Oilers are also short on goaltenders in the system.

 

Add to that, defencemen usually take longer to develop. If the Oilers are short a defenceman now, drafting one will be a solution 3 years too late. Defencemen are also harder to identify in potential. Often some of the best defencemen in drafts don't come out of the 1st round.

 

Anyway, drafting best player available is always best for teams long term.

Yes we do have a lot of defensive prospects, but in my opinion the only two that could end up being above average are Klefbom and Marincin.  But Nurse has the potential to be one of the leagues best.

[Flyerfan52]

Yes we do have a lot of defensive prospects, but in my opinion the only two that could end up being above average are Klefbom and Marincin.  But Nurse has the potential to be one of the leagues best.

Connor believes in quantity > quality.

It shows up in his trade proposals too.

[PokernHockey]

Connor believes in quantity > quality.

It shows up in his trade proposals too.

As per hockey's future, the flames prospect #s are currently: (prospects/nhl jobs= % of nhl spots)

G:3/2=150%

RW:5/4=125%

LW:11/4 =275%

C:7/4 = 275%

D:9/6=150%

 

WE NEED TO DRAFT RW!!

 

MAYBE DRAFT ONE GOALIE!!!

 

NO CENTERS!!!!! LW!!!!!!! or especially D!!!!!!!!!

(I would have included D with the maybe pool, but this uses connor logic.  and everyone knows connor doesn't believe in D.)

[DirtyDeeds]

dissects

 

As per hockey's future, the flames prospect #s are currently: (prospects/nhl jobs= % of nhl spots)

G:3/2=150%

RW:5/4=125%

LW:11/4 =275%

C:7/4 = 275%

D:9/6=150%

 

WE NEED TO DRAFT RW!!

 

MAYBE DRAFT ONE GOALIE!!!

 

NO CENTERS!!!!! LW!!!!!!! or especially D!!!!!!!!!

(I would have included D with the maybe pool, but this uses connor logic.  and everyone knows connor doesn't believe in D.)

Come on everyone knows he gets all Defensive everytime I dissect one of his posts... lol

[PokernHockey]

dissects

 

Come on everyone knows he gets all Defensive everytime I dissect one of his posts... lol

 

maybe that's why, as their future GM, he realizes the team will already have all the D they need in a few years?

[ConnorFutureGM]

Yes we do have a lot of defensive prospects, but in my opinion the only two that could end up being above average are Klefbom and Marincin.  But Nurse has the potential to be one of the leagues best.

 

You're forgetting about Gernat. All three of those guys project to become decent top 4, left hand shot defencemen. Musil could become a Smid type, then there is the 2nd tier of left hand shot defencemen where maybe one can turn out to be a decent NHLer in Davidson, Simpson, Gustafsson and LaLeggia. The right side is weaker with Fedun, Teubert, Plante and Bigos.

 

Connor believes in quantity > quality.

It shows up in his trade proposals too.

 

FlyerFan believes in pretending he knows a subject when he doesn't.

 

As per hockey's future, the flames prospect #s are currently: (prospects/nhl jobs= % of nhl spots)

G:3/2=150%

RW:5/4=125%

LW:11/4 =275%

C:7/4 = 275%

D:9/6=150%

 

WE NEED TO DRAFT RW!!

 

MAYBE DRAFT ONE GOALIE!!!

 

NO CENTERS!!!!! LW!!!!!!! or especially D!!!!!!!!!

(I would have included D with the maybe pool, but this uses connor logic.  and everyone knows connor doesn't believe in D.)

 

When did I say I don't believe in D? I said defencemen are harder to project.

 

maybe that's why, as their future GM, he realizes the team will already have all the D they need in a few years?

 

A team should draft best player available. So many Flamatics are bellowing for a centre, Flames might end up drafting Shinkaruk (unless there's some high school prospect that nobody has heard that Feaster's has a hard one for)

[travel_dude]

Yes we do have a lot of defensive prospects, but in my opinion the only two that could end up being above average are Klefbom and Marincin.  But Nurse has the potential to be one of the leagues best.

I agree with you on the need to draft defense.  You can fill up your 3rd and fourth lines via trade or UFA's.  You may not get the sexy players, but you shoul be able to find the character guys, given the salary cap.  There will be too little cap space available for teams to keep all their players, so trades may be the way to go.

 

I hope that the Flames decide to sign a center first or RW, leaving Nurse to you, if MacT decides to go there.  I think we should go after Lindholm If Barkov is gone. Or Nichushkin (think he will come to NA sooner than 2 years).

 

I would like to trade up from our St. Louis pick and snag a guy like Monahan or Shinkaruk.

[AlbertaHockey]

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[DirtyDeeds]

You're forgetting about Gernat. All three of those guys project to become decent top 4, left hand shot defencemen. Musil could become a Smid type, then there is the 2nd tier of left hand shot defencemen where maybe one can turn out to be a decent NHLer in Davidson, Simpson, Gustafsson and LaLeggia. The right side is weaker with Fedun, Teubert, Plante and Bigos.

None of those guys project to be top 4 D pairings. Oscar Klefbom is the only DMan in your system who is rated as a posssible top 4 D. Oilers will be lucky if your 2nd tier players like LaLeggia ever make it to the NHL (HF -He's a long shot to ever play in the NHL on defense at his present size.)

 

HF Prospect analysis:

Gernat has a unique skillset in the Oilers organization in that he is an offense-first (some might say offense-only) blueliner. The start to his WHL career has been promising and if he can continue to develop he could well see a career as a bottom pairing defenseman and power play specialist. It's unlikely he will be able to play top four even strength minutes without a significant improvement in decision manking and defensive play.

 

They also rate him as "D".

D – Unlikely to reach potential, could drop 3 ratings – a player who has a chance to reach his potential but is unlikely to do so.

 

HF also rates him behind Musil and Marincin both who also rate as future bottom pairings players.

 

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As for FF52 and his comments on your D:

 

 

and considering at your overly optimistic rating of your Dmen Prospect pool:

 

 

 

He appears to me to have a much better handle on the Oilers D Prospects in the system than you do.

[jjgallow]

Ducks Versus Oilers.  

 

[ConnorFutureGM]

None of those guys project to be top 4 D pairings. Oscar Klefbom is the only DMan in your system who is rated as a posssible top 4 D. Oilers will be lucky if your 2nd tier players like LaLeggia ever make it to the NHL (HF -He's a long shot to ever play in the NHL on defense at his present size.)

 

HF Prospect analysis:

Gernat has a unique skillset in the Oilers organization in that he is an offense-first (some might say offense-only) blueliner. The start to his WHL career has been promising and if he can continue to develop he could well see a career as a bottom pairing defenseman and power play specialist. It's unlikely he will be able to play top four even strength minutes without a significant improvement in decision manking and defensive play.

 

They also rate him as "D".

 

HF also rates him behind Musil and Marincin both who also rate as future bottom pairings players.

 

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As for FF52 and his comments on your D:

 

 

and considering at your overly optimistic rating of your Dmen Prospect pool:

 

 

 

He appears to me to have a much better handle on the Oilers D Prospects in the system than you do.

 

Oh yes, you're beloved Hockeysfuture. You may base your entire opinion of prospects on what they say but they are wrong when it comes to the Oilers defensive prospects.

 

Gernat has been a force for the Oil Kings. He plays a more prominent role on the team, is 12th in WHL playoff scoring leading all defencemen on the team in scoring by a large margin.

 

Marincin has been one of the best players thus far for the Barons in  the playoffs.

 

Musil is good positionally and defensively but his footspeed needs to improve  if he want to become an NHL regular. He will never be an offensive contributor, more of a 5, 6 defenceman.

 

Again, try to enlighten yourself on a topic before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Oil Barons make it to 2nd round

[jjgallow]

Again, try to enlighten yourself on a topic before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis.

 

lol

[DirtyDeeds]

Ahhhh the next great WHL player or the tearing it up in the AHL argument.. Right That will get you to the Stanley cup quickly.

 

At least HF are a credible website. You don't offer anything credible to back up your opinions. So I stand by what I said. It still appears to me that FF52 has a better handle on the Oiler D prospects than you do.

 

Oh yes, you're beloved Hockeysfuture. You may base your entire opinion of prospects on what they say but they are wrong when it comes to the Oilers defensive prospects.

 

Gernat has been a force for the Oil Kings. He plays a more prominent role on the team, is 12th in WHL playoff scoring leading all defencemen on the team in scoring by a large margin.

 

Marincin has been one of the best players thus far for the Barons in  the playoffs.

 

Musil is good positionally and defensively but his footspeed needs to improve  if he want to become an NHL regular. He will never be an offensive contributor, more of a 5, 6 defenceman.

 

Again, try to enlighten yourself on a topic before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis.

 

Which begs the question, who really needs the enlightenment here???

[PokernHockey]

Ahhhh the next great WHL player or the tearing it up in the AHL argument.. Right That will get you to the Stanley cup quickly.

 

At least HF are a credible website. You don't offer anything credible to back up your opinions. So I stand by what I said. It still appears to me that FF52 has a better handle on the Oiler D prospects than you do.

 

 

Which begs the question, who really needs the enlightenment here???

 

I am going to try to take a stab at translating connor to what everyone else here speaks. By "enlightened" he means "believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so".  So his statement really was "try to believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis."

If you come from this paradigm, your clearly idiots DD/FF52. You should apologize.

[Flyerfan52]

I am going to try to take a stab at translating connor to what everyone else here speaks. By "enlightened" he means "believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so".  So his statement really was "try to believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis."

If you come from this paradigm, your clearly idiots DD/FF52. You should apologize.

You are absolutely correct PokernHockey.  I am wrong in assuming Connor the future would misread the words of the Mighty Daryl Katz. After all, his future boss would never let the city he loves down so the veiled threat of Seattle if the city council & province didn't kneel @ Daryl's noble feet when he asked for a few extra million (100 but lets not quibble as it's only taxpayer money) to build his palace was just a joke. That Daryl is such a kidder. He had everyone going for a while.

Speaking just for myself I am for ever believing that the great man would ever stoop to extortion. All his previous promises like the __ year rebuild are coming true.

 

Connor, I apologize for doubting your great wisdom. With Daryl as your guru you are assured to leave a mark. I am now 1 of the enlightened that see the master plan of these 1/1 picks being a distraction until medical science can undo the aging effect so the dynasty Oilers can be young & dominate again. That's clearly the hidden message in the talk that the current youngsters are dopplegangers of the previous 1s that brought glory to Edmonton in the 80s. Their youth is slowly being drained so it can rejuvenate the former players that were elected to the HHOF.

 

Edmonton will rise again! Hail Katz (& his believers like Connor who's life force will unfortunately be drained into Glen Sather to complete the rejuvenation.

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I'm sure DD will come to his senses & write an apology as sincere  as mine.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Ahhhh the next great WHL player or the tearing it up in the AHL argument.. Right That will get you to the Stanley cup quickly.

 

At least HF are a credible website. You don't offer anything credible to back up your opinions. So I stand by what I said. It still appears to me that FF52 has a better handle on the Oiler D prospects than you do.

 

 

Which begs the question, who really needs the enlightenment here???

 

I read several Oiler blogs, one of which is Lowetide who frequently outlines the potential in Gernat. MacTavish himself pointed out Marincin's strong play in the AHL this year (his rookie season) and states that he isn't far away from being able to play at the NHL level. I read and listen to several Oilers based media.

 

http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1350 (Something with a lot more credit than hockeysfuture)

 

Hockeysfutre is a joke. It just takes players draft rankings and then puts a number on that. If you're basing your entire prospect opinion on hockeysfuture you have very little knowledge in the area.

 

You again are being insulting. If all you can do is resort to insulting people on the internet you need to get a better hobby.

 

I am going to try to take a stab at translating connor to what everyone else here speaks. By "enlightened" he means "believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so".  So his statement really was "try to believe the oilers are destined for greatness because Katz says so before trying to tell me how I am incorrect in my analysis."

If you come from this paradigm, your clearly idiots DD/FF52. You should apologize.

 

Most useless post ever.

 

You are absolutely correct PokernHockey.  I am wrong in assuming Connor the future would misread the words of the Mighty Daryl Katz. After all, his future boss would never let the city he loves down so the veiled threat of Seattle if the city council & province didn't kneel @ Daryl's noble feet when he asked for a few extra million (100 but lets not quibble as it's only taxpayer money) to build his palace was just a joke. That Daryl is such a kidder. He had everyone going for a while.

Speaking just for myself I am for ever believing that the great man would ever stoop to extortion. All his previous promises like the __ year rebuild are coming true.

 

Connor, I apologize for doubting your great wisdom. With Daryl as your guru you are assured to leave a mark. I am now 1 of the enlightened that see the master plan of these 1/1 picks being a distraction until medical science can undo the aging effect so the dynasty Oilers can be young & dominate again. That's clearly the hidden message in the talk that the current youngsters are dopplegangers of the previous 1s that brought glory to Edmonton in the 80s. Their youth is slowly being drained so it can rejuvenate the former players that were elected to the HHOF.

 

Edmonton will rise again! Hail Katz (& his believers like Connor who's life force will unfortunately be drained into Glen Sather to complete the rejuvenation.

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I'm sure DD will come to his senses & write an apology as sincere  as mine.

 

Why am I being associated with Katz? Is that what the best you can come up with?

 

It sucks when the team you cheer for misses the playoffs. Cheering for 3 teams and all of them missing the playoffs must be brutal.

[Carty]

the veiled threat of Seattle

 

[DirtyDeeds]

Most useless post ever.

Actually he has a long way to go to reach the heights of some of the wannabe GM's around here.

[ConnorFutureGM]

Actually he has a long way to go to reach the heights of some of the wannabe GM's around here.

 

It's funny how I comment on your entire posts and you come back with a very selective bit to counter with.

 

Gave you a better prospect ranking than hockeysfuture.... crickets from you.

[DirtyDeeds]

It's funny how I comment on your entire posts and you come back with a very selective bit to counter with.

 

Gave you a better prospect ranking than hockeysfuture.... crickets from you.

Long past taking most of what you have to say as even remotely credible. Isn't it obvious yet Connor??

 

Your shots are about as effective as this guys:

 

Lots of quality posters around here use HF as a decent source. I really could care less what you think of them because they have over 30 people doing their legwork for them which puts them among the best anywhere.

 

You can diss HF all you want it only shows your lack of constructive thinking.

 

I'd prefer crickets from you unless you have some more amusing stuff we can all have another good laugh over.

[Kulstad]

I read several Oiler blogs, one of which is Lowetide who frequently outlines the potential in Gernat. MacTavish himself pointed out Marincin's strong play in the AHL this year (his rookie season) and states that he isn't far away from being able to play at the NHL level. I read and listen to several Oilers based media.

 

The bolded makes everyone's argument against you for them.