DirtyDeeds Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 From what I understand, the deal he had in place with the city was on the basis he would get a casino permit but he didn't get it so now he's trying to rework the deal to have similar numbers without the casino. So if he doesn't have to build a casino component to this project why does he want more money? Last I heard is the project was already into cost overruns and they haven't started to dig. From article: In a letter to the city, Katz Group Exec VP John Karvellas said that the planned development project faced "significant cost overruns." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 ______ He said you'd lose for a lot of seasons to rebuild the team & held true to his word. Well....that is true... On another interesting note...do you think Edmonton's farm team will make the playoffs this year? They're currently 7th overall in their conference...that's JUST good enough to squeeze in if they're lucky. Hopefully having literally half the Edmonton Oilers NHL team will help them a bit. You know... RNH....Eberle...Schultz...Taylor Hall... Maybe that will help them some...it's probably an adjustment for those guys playing for a 500 team. What is the Flames farm team at right now? Was it 10 wins, 1 loss? I can't keep track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodendoug Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Interesting piece on NHLer's in the AHL right from the AHL homepage no walk in the park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Interesting piece on NHLer's in the AHL right from the AHL homepage no walk in the park Awe, those poor oilers prospects are being way too hard on themselves. It must be hard being away from their mothers for so long too. I'm sure that, if they could, they would say "you can do anything you set your mind to". If these players can lose at the highest level of hockey, I have every confidence that they can be mediocre...maybe even, above-mediocre, in the minor leagues. I, for one, am rooting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 ......... You know... RNH....Eberle...Schultz...Taylor Hall... Maybe that will help them some...it's probably an adjustment for those guys playing for a 500 team. ........... When that team played the Heat all those guys looked almost disinterested except maybe Eberle who did show some effort. RNH was practically invisible both games and the only time I noticed him on the ice was when he won a few faceoffs. Hall looked out of sync, missing the goal on multiple point blank setups. You would think being on a team with a close to .500 record would be a big motivation for them, but they were unable to show any of that when they played the Heat. Maybe it is they are just doing the time and only want to stay in game shape or something. I was unimpressed with them and impressed with the Heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 Awe, those poor oilers prospects are being way too hard on themselves. It must be hard being away from their mothers for so long too. I'm sure that, if they could, they would say "you can do anything you set your mind to". If these players can lose at the highest level of hockey, I have every confidence that they can be mediocre...maybe even, above-mediocre, in the minor leagues. I, for one, am rooting for them. I'm rooting for the entire Heat roster. I don't care how many analysts say the Flames have no prospects, their future is bleak and it's time to rebuild. IMO the Flames will be contenders in just a couple of seasons with a core of Aliu, Nemisz, Byron and Breen and with already sure fire moves that Feaster has made already by acquiring Cervenka, Wideman and Hudler. What do analysts know? Nothing because the Flames are going to be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 17, 2012 Report Share Posted November 17, 2012 What do analysts know? Nothing I agree with this part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I'm rooting for the entire Heat roster. I don't care how many analysts say the Flames have no prospects, their future is bleak and it's time to rebuild. IMO the Flames will be contenders in just a couple of seasons with a core of Aliu, Nemisz, Byron and Breen and with already sure fire moves that Feaster has made already by acquiring Cervenka, Wideman and Hudler. What do analysts know? Nothing because the Flames are going to be amazing. This is the Oiler thread not the Heat or the Flames or the Flames prospects thread. As far as the analysts go all the so called analysts over at TSN with the exception of Bob McKenzie were laughing at the Flames when they re-signed Joker the second time. They insisted that the second time would be far worse than the sub-par first go round. About Christmas they came to realize that Joker had indeed become a valuable team member and gave his line the OMG moniker to that checking line because of their very good play. So much for the analysts and their so called expert opinions. Joker went on to become our top center last year, and was our top scorer until the last few games. We found out later he had surgery to correct a muscle tear or something that he had played with for the last part of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is the Oiler thread not the Heat or the Flames or the Flames prospects thread. As far as the analysts go all the so called analysts over at TSN with the exception of Bob McKenzie were laughing at the Flames when they re-signed Joker the second time. They insisted that the second time would be far worse than the sub-par first go round. About Christmas they came to realize that Joker had indeed become a valuable team member and gave his line the OMG moniker to that checking line because of their very good play. So much for the analysts and their so called expert opinions. Joker went on to become our top center last year, and was our top scorer until the last few games. We found out later he had surgery to correct a muscle tear or something that he had played with for the last part of the season. Not sure what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 This is the Oiler thread not the Heat or the Flames or the Flames prospects thread. Can we really fault Oilers fans for preferring to talk about the Flames? I know I would, if I were them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodendoug Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Well....that is true... On another interesting note...do you think Edmonton's farm team will make the playoffs this year? They're currently 7th overall in their conference...that's JUST good enough to squeeze in if they're lucky. Hopefully having literally half the Edmonton Oilers NHL team will help them a bit. You know... RNH....Eberle...Schultz...Taylor Hall... Maybe that will help them some...it's probably an adjustment for those guys playing for a 500 team. What is the Flames farm team at right now? Was it 10 wins, 1 loss? I can't keep track. Are you going to feel silly when the Barons overtake the Heat, then you look at the league scoring leaders and see Oilers 1,2,3 and possibly a forth in the top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Oilers players are finally hitting their stride in OKC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Are you going to feel silly when the Barons overtake the Heat, then you look at the league scoring leaders and see Oilers 1,2,3 and possibly a forth in the top 5? You do realize that we are Basically talking about the Oilers NHL team against the Flames farm team, right? Anything less than the Barons taking all top 5 scoring positions, and you have a big problem on your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodendoug Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 You do realize that we are Basically talking about the Oilers NHL team against the Flames farm team, right? Anything less than the Barons taking all top 5 scoring positions, and you have a big problem on your hands. What about Sven Baby, I was leaving a spot for him. Wasn't that nice of me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 What about Sven Baby, I was leaving a spot for him. Wasn't that nice of me? RNH has 7 goals, Sven has 6. RNH has more assists, but I fail to see the point of that as he's surrounded by NHL players playing at the AHL level. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodendoug Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 RNH has 7 goals, Sven has 6. RNH has more assists, but I fail to see the point of that as he's surrounded by NHL players playing at the AHL level. We'll see. Hoppy had a little stick in mouth desease and had to miss a game and wear a cage for several games. It just came off last game or two. Sven's a keeper no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Are you going to feel silly when the Barons overtake the Heat, then you look at the league scoring leaders and see Oilers 1,2,3 and possibly a forth in the top 5? With the recent 2 losses down in Texas for your Barons, it appears your team is spinning its wheels. At least you managed 1 point of 4, so that is something for the die hard fans to grab onto. What good is all that scoring if they can't win games because they let in more than they score? I can't see them overtaking the Heat this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifiwaschucknorris Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 With the recent 2 losses down in Texas for your Barons, it appears your team is spinning its wheels. At least you managed 1 point of 4, so that is something for the die hard fans to grab onto. What good is all that scoring if they can't win games because they let in more than they score? I can't see them overtaking the Heat this year. The point totals aren't a ridiculous hurdle to overcome. The biggest difference to me is that the Heat seem to play a team game and the Barons are fragmented. The NHL guys play well together and the AHL guys play well together but it is almost like 2 different teams out there. It seems as if the players from the big club are treating there stint in the A as practice for the NHL rather than trying to help the team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted December 7, 2012 Report Share Posted December 7, 2012 With the recent 2 losses down in Texas for your Barons, it appears your team is spinning its wheels. At least you managed 1 point of 4, so that is something for the die hard fans to grab onto. What good is all that scoring if they can't win games because they let in more than they score? I can't see them overtaking the Heat this year. The point totals aren't a ridiculous hurdle to overcome. The biggest difference to me is that the Heat seem to play a team game and the Barons are fragmented. The NHL guys play well together and the AHL guys play well together but it is almost like 2 different teams out there. It seems as if the players from the big club are treating there stint in the A as practice for the NHL rather than trying to help the team win. The Barons are a young roster even for AHL standards. The top two lines on the Barons are all players 22 and younger. The Barons defence is also very green. The other thing is the style the Barons play has changed from last year to this one. Last year the Barons were a very defensive team like the Heat. This year they're a lot more open. It's a lot easier to win playing a defensive style. Less risks are made and you don't need talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 The Barons are a young roster even for AHL standards. The top two lines on the Barons are all players 22 and younger. The Barons defence is also very green. The other thing is the style the Barons play has changed from last year to this one. Last year the Barons were a very defensive team like the Heat. This year they're a lot more open. It's a lot easier to win playing a defensive style. Less risks are made and you don't need talent. The top 2 lines are basically the Oilers top 2 lines. On D they have @ least 2 of Edmonton's brightest hopes. Connor, you were doing well when posting without those colored glasses. I can see defending your team but if all those "untouchables" aren't doing well against the other teams prospects mixed with career minor league players they might need some seasoning before being pronounced the dynasty some of your compadres are touting them to be. ________________________________________________________ Part 2 of your post says any team playing the Oilers might as well give their NHLers the night off & call up the farm team since less talent overwhelms them. I'm not dissing you but I think you posted before considering the ways that could be read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 The top 2 lines are basically the Oilers top 2 lines. On D they have @ least 2 of Edmonton's brightest hopes. Connor, you were doing well when posting without those colored glasses. I can see defending your team but if all those "untouchables" aren't doing well against the other teams prospects mixed with career minor league players they might need some seasoning before being pronounced the dynasty some of your compadres are touting them to be. ________________________________________________________ Part 2 of your post says any team playing the Oilers might as well give their NHLers the night off & call up the farm team since less talent overwhelms them. I'm not dissing you but I think you posted before considering the ways that could be read. People aren't putting the whole situation into perspective. The Barons roster last season was nowhere close to their roster this season but the team as a whole were doing better? Does that entail that Hall, Eberle, RNH and Schultz are a detriment to the team? Even a lot of the players that were on the team last year should be a year more developed and better this year. IMO the Barons like other talented yet under performing teams it might be that they don't have a team identity. The Barons will have quite a different look if and when the lockout ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 People aren't putting the whole situation into perspective. That's for sure... The Barons roster last season was nowhere close to their roster this season but the team as a whole were doing better? Does that entail that Hall, Eberle, RNH and Schultz are a detriment to the team? Even a lot of the players that were on the team last year should be a year more developed and better this year. Just like you say, it's a matter of perspective. These players really are exhibiting more of the results we saw from them last year, only they seem to be...getting Better at it. IMO the Barons like other talented yet under performing teams it might be that they don't have a team identity. The Barons will have quite a different look if and when the lockout ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronco73 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 With the recent 2 losses down in Texas for your Barons, it appears your team is spinning its wheels. At least you managed 1 point of 4, so that is something for the die hard fans to grab onto. What good is all that scoring if they can't win games because they let in more than they score? I can't see them overtaking the Heat this year. Not unless they start realizing that there are two sides to every ice rink. You cannot win without defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not unless they start realizing that there are two sides to every ice rink. You cannot win without defense. Very true Bronco... To be a successful team requires balance... Defense is important... So important in fact that according to some, if you play a defensive style, you don't even need talent... It's a lot easier to win playing a defensive style. Less risks are made and you don't need talent. As for myself though, I still think a team is better off being well rounded with a good goaltender, a good defense, a good offense and talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C_worthy Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 The Barons are a young roster even for AHL standards. The top two lines on the Barons are all players 22 and younger. The Barons defence is also very green. The other thing is the style the Barons play has changed from last year to this one. Last year the Barons were a very defensive team like the Heat. This year they're a lot more open. It's a lot easier to win playing a defensive style. Less risks are made and you don't need talent. Unclear on the concept - weekly prize winner Though I will cut you some slack here, Connor - you have never had a proper team model to witness and learn from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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