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Whichever way, I think Brodie will be more valuable than Devin Setoguchi, who doesn't deserve to be here. In the least.
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A "tweet" was referenced today on fan960 that Ramo gets the Lightning start. Sorry, I know that's a weak reference with no link...but yeah. I'm digging it. Don't fix what isn't broken!
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That's what camp is for. If Ramo outplays Hiller, he's the starter. Not quite sure why the passion for which goalie gets the starts. Neither is a prospect. Isn't cheering one or the other being a racialist? Ramo's the starter if he plays better than Hiller, why are we doling out the kid gloves for him?
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Huh? Can you reiterate? It reads like you're saying Hiller is no better than a backup? I was staring at Anaheim's logjam at goalie this year thinking, wow, excess excess give us some. It is still quite possible we got the best one for the immediate future. You add in his "down year" last year was still quite respectable over 50 games, including 5 shutouts. Wipe out the true "backups" with <40 games started, Hiller is a bonafide starter in this league. The "down year", I believe, was a lot more about circumstances with the logjam, just like Burke had to unload Bryz because Hiller was requiring his seat. Wasn't long before he earned Giggy's seat.
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I agree. my comment was about G prospects. There's a few goalies out there for backups. Hiller is a starter, a 1A at worst.
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Our goaltending has to be competitive, McDonald solves it, we're done at G prospects. Time to move on in other areas. Backend out. Stability on D is the objective now.
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pheewww
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I don't suppose he also mentioned that our prospect depth at D and RW is almost nil too? We'll be looking to add star power next year or the year after? Call me Captain Obvious...
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That's good news. It needs to happen. Kiprusoff spoiled us into not treating our G spot, errrr position, with greater urgency.
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The problem is, you can say that about any position. It's mgmt's call, it's their job to keep the team competitive. If they think JMac's good enough, I won't argue. But if the think they can upgrade the position via FA, I'd agree. And maybe ff can turn my head around, but I am not an Emery fan. Inconsistency is my issue with him, and I believe that issue comes from attitude.
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While I agree with you DD, it's still something that can be improved for little increased cost. I don't understand why we rely on Ramo, Ortio and Gillies will be the answer to keep JMac. If that plan backfires we will be nowhere and desperate, why not improve on JMac now, if only just as an insurance policy? Who was the last NHL goalie we acquired from an NHL team? What, exactly, are we afraid of is my question? We suck at addressing goaltending the old-fashioned way is all I can think. Hopefully our new GM is asking those questions. There is never a sense of urgency, like goalies are a dime/dozen. Best goalie not in the NHL etc etc. Honestly, our goalies are still at the prospect stage, yet we act like it's not an issue.
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Dubnyk is a giant of a goalie, but it's still about playing the position. Being tall, his rebound control is in doubt, his side to side movement is suspect. Not to mention his 5 hole. I've gotta go with no on Dubnyk. He's been around long enough to prove he should stick. He hasn't done that.
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I'm really not one to bandy out stats because I think a lot of them have the eau du garbodge, but these one's look pretty noticeable: MacD : 11GP; 5-4-1; 0 SO; 2.9 GAA; .890 sav% based on a total of 264 shots. Greiss: 25GP; 10-8-5; 2 SO; 2.29 GAA; .920 s% based on a total of 626 shots. Montoya:28GP 13-8-3 2 SO; 2.30 GAA; .920 s% based on a total of 737 shots. I realize these 2 guys get a raise, but they were cheaper than MacD last year. We picked MacD on waivers, all of our prospects are via draft. Why do we never, ever, seem to want to go after NHL goalies? I'd really like to see how we treat the G position stray from the past since we no longer have Kipper.
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Isn't it worth upgrading the backup role though? We're an injury away from turmoil, I feel like we're living on the edge with JMac. I feel like Greiss or Montoya would be an upgrade with only a bit more $ for a 2 or 3 year deal. Of the 3 goalies last year, JMac found a way to finish 4th. Ramo's the starter. But an injury to him or Ortio will impact both our big club and/or AHL club, as it's plain to see Ortio is our #2 as far as starters go. Having a backup goalie that can clear waivers speaks volumes, no? Seems like an area we can upgrade cheap without going for the Miller's and Halak's.
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Then the problem becomes, "wow, Greiss was great". Now what? Is it outfitting Greiss, where does that leave Ortio, etc. Tough call. That's why I want our 2 best goalies on the big club. Prop up the A with an addition, if required, but not an addition in place of a capable goalie we likely already have as our 2nd best option. It'll wind up being like our LW, imho. Too many assets there...enough solutions to create confusion. Buy into what you've got. If that's a problem, address it. But not before it's a problem.
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The Scneider comparison, not quite what I was going for, just trying to throw it out there for discussion. Van's pretty wayward with goalie's, I don't hope for that. Skilled goalie to push our starter, and there just in case. Or Joey Mac is all I was thinking, who immediately gets leapt by Ortio should our starter falter or worse, is all I'm thinking.
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I can't argue that you might be right. I won't say Ortio should be the back up next year and can understand why you give him another year in the A. An alternative is to use him in a backup role with the big club, not 1A/1B. Ortio started the year in the ECHL, we saw pretty quickly he didn't belong there. He's been stellar in the A. It's a case of a goalie we underrated as a prospect perhaps, and he has proven himself this year to the point of making the JBo acquisition of Berra redundant. Ortio provided it to turn into a 2nd, yay. Unless we intend on resigning JoeyMac, we need a backup. I just don't understand this fear we have of making our best prospect goalie a backup on the big club. A backup isn't exactly time off because of little playing time. He still has to be sharp and ready every night, while seeing the stellar goalies in the bigs every night and how they do it. Give and take. Is there a regression component? Sure. But I believe it's a case by case assessment, not an ever-present alarm as it can seems be treated too often. His weaknesses are points worked on with the coaches, which looks to me like timing adjustments. Small is fine when you take away space properly. Kipper was small. Ortio is talented, just needs to stay aggressively at the top of his crease imo.
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I've enjoyed the very slow introduction of Ramo this year. I felt this should be an adjustment year rather than throwing him to the wolves. It seems like he's getting better and more comfortable. Perhaps next year we have Ramo and Ortio backing up. I get the "have to play Ortio in the A". But I feel it's time to advance him in a backup role and being around the big club. Let's face it, he made Berra redundant and his progression has been outstanding.
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Brossoit faced inferior competion. He has proven zero facing better competition. Where was he last year for the WJC? Cut.... We tend to glorify our prospects...
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I like all of your other points, but I'd consider picks/prospects for a goalie that is playing his way out of a backup role on a goalie-laden team. Our history with developing goalies makes me very gun-shy.
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We should be looking to solidify our G spot, errr, goalie spot. If Minny's tending were in Vancouver, we'd have a Schneider/Luongo predicament. Harding's gotta be realizing he's been 2nd fiddle long enough, and Minnesota can't hold him back beyond this year I wouldn't think. Not that we should race out and sell the farm, as Ramo is just entering into his chance to be our guy. It would be horrible business to not give Ramo a real good shot, as we undoubtedly had to make a guarantee of it for him to leave Russia. But we should keep an ear to the ground for tending just in case. I hope Ramo does well and we get to here analysts mutter over and over again about how they were wrong!
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I know I'll be pulling my goalie if it's that tight, does that count? :huh: But yeah, carry 3 goalies??
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You'd argue our forward ranks and prospect pool for forwards were anything a short time ago?
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Would have been nice to have drafted Maatta....along with Wotherspoon at least we'd have 2 young D-first Dmen.... Our forwards were in such disarray it needed focus, but it's been at the expense of D. With 30 minutes of JBo gone, it has certainly compounded the issue. It's difficult to fault any goalie currently, but having instability in net is definitely not helping the mess at D. No point pretending our dmen match the caliber and mix of most other teams.
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I firmly agree. Stats be damned, if you're winning...errr giving us a chance to win with this roster, that's all that matters at the end of the day. I don't get the, "ditch jmac" for the 1a and 1b. JMac is backup $$$, he's not fighting the starter spot. The team tends to play for him, like they never did for Kiprusoff, it's like a parallel universe. Enter Ramo, and the team really stepped up, like they never did for anyone else. It's Hartley's job, and I like the way he's rolled. Ramo's had the opportunity to observe and absorb the new league for a handful of games. As far as I'm concerned, that's ideal. JMac afforded him, and us, that.
