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  1. Goaltending

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    The next question would be....of course....why they would pick up a 26 year old goalie not ready for the NHL yet.

     

    But that aside....maybe they'll have to loan him to another AHL club if his future is in North America.

     

    Even with this, there will be Multiple goalies battling it out for a spot on the Heat.

    Keep in mind the Flames traded for him before Ramo was signed and about the time Kipper was making all the "I won't report to another team if you trade me" type statements. This signing is more of a covering all my bases type thing, I think.

     

    What if Ramo had decided to stay in KHL? Without Berra here too, that would put a totally different light on our goaltending. At least this way we get some stiff competition for the starting job.

  2. Goaltending

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    Irving is a mystery to me.  Not sure what happened.  But yeah, probably the last of that.

     

    I'm fine with Ramo and Mac starting the season.   I'm not sure Ramo will last, and that's okay.

     

    Reto is not a prospect, and thus I don't believe he should take up space in the AHL.  He should either get an NHL position or go back to Europe.  He'll be 27 this season.

     

    Ortio is an actual young prospect.   If he makes the AHL, he should be their guy down there and work on adjusting to North American hockey.  I think he has it in him.

    Trouble is if Berra is not quite ready for the NHL sending him back overseas isn't going to do anything to prepare him for the NHL, the ice size or the type of play the NHL offers. AHL is totally the best place for him to gain that experience and get him prepared.

     

    AHL isn't for prospects only. It is a filter down league designed for any age Entry Level players too.

  3. Goaltending

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    I don't think it's going to happen. I had a Finnish friend summarize this link for me: http://yle.fi/urheilu/miikka_kiprusoff_mtv3lle_ei_mitaan_aikomusta_pelata_ensi_kaudella/6732115

     

    According to her it said this: "No intention to play next season. He still has his contract with the Flames. He will stay in Canada with his family."

     

    I guess we wait until Kipper makes an official announcement but I wouldn't count on him returning.

    Thanks for the clarification.

     

    I suspect that Feaster really knows this but couldn't say anything else but "we are hoping he returns".

     

    It could turn out badly if a team in a similar situation didn't say they expect or hope their players to fulfill their contracts for the full duration. You look at the Tim Thomas situation where Boston ended up suspending him and then trading away his rights which shows there are various ways these things can be handled.

  4. Goaltending

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    3 months since this thread was started and we should probably open discussion again on our Goaltending Status:

     

    Goaltenders

     

    Cap Geek Listed as Roster Players:
    Kiprusoff, Miikka
    Ramo, Karri - 2.75m 2yrs UFA
    MacDonald, Joey - .925m - UFA after next season.

     

    Elementary Level Contracts:
    Berra, Reto - 1.3m - RFA after next season.
    Brossoit, Laurent - .925m - 3years RFA
    Ortio, Joni - .812 - RFA after next season.

     

    College - Non-Contract Players
    Gilles, John - NCAA - Sophomore NCAA.

     

    HF Boards Ratings of our prospects:

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    I think from the contracts and terms of these signings we can deduct quite a bit about the Flames thinking and how the goaltender fits into their plans. Length of the contracts in particular say quite a bit on where each prospect fits.

     

    If all you do is take a quick look at the whole group, you think there is a big pool of Goaltenders along with a large mix of prospects in various stages of development. You would be right in thinking this but it doesn't tell us much. So lets break it down in a bit more detail.

     

     

    Who is going to be our goaltenders this coming season?

     

    **Kiprusoff, Miikka
    Ramo, Karri - 2.75m 2yrs UFA
    MacDonald, Joey - .925m - UFA after next season.

     

    **I would prefer to see Kipper return for 1 season if only to mentor our goaltenders who we decide to run with. I don't see it really happening however as anything Feaster has mentioned is always in the "It is Kippers decision to retire" line of thinking.

     

    Karri Ramo - This signing indicates to me he was our "go to guy" all along. Past experience with Feaster, Including Ramo in a trade with Montreal for a reason and unless he falters badly is pencilled in as our #1 next year. 2 year term doesn't sell the farm and gives us time to properly find out if he is "the One".

     

    Joey MacDonald - signed to only a 1 year contract indicates to me he is our insurance policy for next year. On a side note he is the only backup to actually gain the trust of the team. Good signing for the Flames in our present stage of development.

     

    Are there any other considerations for this coming season? Yes but not really.

     

    Reto Berra is a long shot. He has indicated he wants to compete for this spot, and has had a really good prospect camp. Meritocracy  won't be in play very much here. I just don't see him actually taking the #1 slot or backup position unless one or both Ramo and MacDonald stink it up in the preseason.

     

     

    The rest of the bunch and the Heat:

    Berra, Reto - 1.3m - RFA after next season.
    Brossoit, Laurent - .925m - 3years RFA
    Ortio, Joni - .812 - RFA after next season.

     

    **Gilles, John - NCAA - Sophomore NCAA.

     

    **John Gilles still has a couple more years in the NCAA. In my mind he projects to be our best goaltender and starter a few years down the road. He is already setting freshman records and progressing nicely with the US national programs.

     

    This is where things get complicated. I'll rate(my opinion only) the remaining goaltenders to start:
    Reto Berra
    Laurent Brossoit
    Joni Ortio

     

    Reto Berra - I expect him to be our #1 Goaltender on the Heat next season. (see above note on Flames)

     

    Laurent Brossoit - He has nothing left to prove in the WHL. He had a good-great year last year especially in the last half. The snub by the Canadian National team motivated him. I see him as the Heats backup next season with a lot of starts if Berra takes longer to adjust to the NA ice and game.

     

     

    Joni Ortio - Interesting point Ortio phoned Feaster and was slightly pissed over the signings of Berra and Ramo. I am still not sure what to make of that since I heard it(broadcast of the prospects game). I guess we can take it he expects to be in the mix and wants the opportunity to compete.
    I am not sure where to put Joni Ortio this coming season. It doesn't sound like he wants to play another year overseas and I suspect there is some lingering hesitation with the Flames after his 1st stop over here. If he plays well maybe they carry 3 goaltenders on the Heat to start the season, but I don't see that as an ideal situation for those 3.

     

    Random thoughts

    If Kipper decides to return and play another year, it would certainly put a wrench into the whole group of goaltenders, we have assembled for moving forward. At least that is how it looks to me if this post and projection hold true. Kipper could fit nicely as a mentor though in a greatly reduced role, while we struggle to find our next #1 "Kipper replacement".

  6. Goaltending

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    Posted

    Kipper fact:(Fan 960)

     

    Since Kipper came to Calgary he has played over 33,000 minutes in the net. No other goltender in NHL has played that many minutes in that time. Closest is Martin Brodeur and he is 1,000 minutes behind.

  7. Goaltending

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    I would think(and could be thinking wrong) that Hartley had the opportunity to see both these goaltenders play. I would assume with the Swiss League connection(ZSC Lions), that someone might have asked him his thoughts on at least Berra. Apparently Feaster and Hartley talk daily.

  9. Goaltending

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    lol come on DeeDee I'm just trying to rile up some already cheesed off Flames fans.

     

     

    Also he's not signed yet is he? His team has been eliminated from the KHL playoffs he could potentially already be playing for Calgary (with permission from Avangard Omsk obviously)

     

    Not to mention Feaster has stated that as soon as Omsk's season is over he wants to get Ramo over here asap.

     

    Something to think about anyway

    It's not DeeDee.

    He can't be offered a contract until the end of April at which time his present contract expires. It has nothing to do with his season now being over. That in turn has nothing to do with Feaster and his wants, it has everything to do with understandings between the two leagues.

  10. Goaltending

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    Posted

    you know the imp in me wonders if Louongo ends up here.

     

    We have the room and have a starter need .....  *shrug*

     

    I can't imagine it would actually happen but  .....  *EVIL GRIN*

    I don't see it for a number of reasons:

     

    We don't have much in assets to fit their requirements. We aren't trading draft picks. They have sat on an asking price and seemingly won't drop that price for anyone let alone the Flames. Think all the goalies moving this trade deadline and the Nucks standing firm on Luongo.

     

    Why would we be aquiring this long list of candidates to only turn around and now trade for Lou. We already have a suitable backup in Mac.

     

    There is little doubt in my mind that we will parade all the goalies next training camp and let them all compete for the startter job.

  12. Goaltending

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    Posted

    Or will he choose to stay in the KHL and probably make more money while NOT paying taxes?

     

    Fact: Karri Ramo likes playing in the KHL

     

    Fact: Karri Ramo has a bad taste in his mouth from his previous NHL experience.

     

    With the aquisition of Berra(lol), and Feaster apparently trying and failing to aquire Bishop, does this show us Feaster is also worried about getting a deal done with Ramo?

    Maybe you should do some research before you start spewing all these "facts" and starting threads based on them.

  14. Goaltending

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    Posted

    I am thinking Kipper won't be here next season.

     

    We don't know enough about any of them except Mac is a suitable backup.  I would be really hardpressed to go out on a limb to say any of the others are ready for a starting goltender position next season with the Flames.I would rather not mistake "potential" meaning the same thing as NHL ready Starter.

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