ConnorFutureGM Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 So...that basically means that the Oilers are advertising through their employees that they may move. While I see this more as a threat than anything, I don't see it as an empty threat. They're using it for leverage. But it also means that they would do it depending on circumstances. If this kind of rhetoric came out of the Flames organization, I'd be right mad. No man. It's saying through a representative that the Oilers are going to make a big personnel. Player? Coach? Management? Probably a player since it can't be announced until after the lockout and it's contingent on Dec 1st start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 No man. It's saying through a representative that the Oilers are going to make a big personnel. Player? Coach? Management? Probably a player since it can't be announced until after the lockout and it's contingent on Dec 1st start. Sorry, I should have checked your link out. I'd actually like to say that I'm off-base. But, I'm not: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/oilers-talking-relocation-seattle-playing-arena-deal-hardball-012114557--nhl.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Sorry, I should have checked your link out. I'd actually like to say that I'm off-base. But, I'm not: http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/oilers-talking-relocation-seattle-playing-arena-deal-hardball-012114557--nhl.html That's been talked about and not what I posted on. What moves do you think the Oilers are talking about. Popular belief on the Oilers board is Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 That's been talked about and not what I posted on. What moves do you think the Oilers are talking about. Popular belief on the Oilers board is Luongo. Lou would be a great acquisition for the OIl... But who would be the trade bait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Lou would be a great acquisition for the OIl... But who would be the trade bait? Debate on what Luongo would cost is a huge range. Some say cap dump, others say impact player, top prospect and 1st. I would feel comfortable if the Oilers traded their 2014 1st, not their 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Debate on what Luongo would cost is a huge range. Some say cap dump, others say impact player, top prospect and 1st. I would feel comfortable if the Oilers traded their 2014 1st, not their 2013. As much as I am not a big Lou fan, it is still going to take a decent trade to get him... Maybe be a little more specific... In your opinion what would be a decent offer from the Oil to try and get him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 As much as I am not a big Lou fan, it is still going to take a decent trade to get him... Maybe be a little more specific... In your opinion what would be a decent offer from the Oil to try and get him? Holes on the Canucks roster are a 2nd line right winger and a 3rd line centre. Horcoff, Hamilton, 2014 1st FOR Luongo Oilers are taking on Luo's salary, Canucks can take some back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Holes on the Canucks roster are a 2nd line right winger and a 3rd line centre. Horcoff, Hamilton, 2014 1st FOR Luongo Oilers are taking on Luo's salary, Canucks can take some back. And it would be a simple move for Luongo to go from Vancouver to Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 And it would be a simple move for Luongo to go from Vancouver to Seattle I don't know, I think Iginla can make it to Vancouver faster come July 1, 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokernHockey Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I don't know, I think Iginla can make it to Vancouver faster come July 1, 2013. Oh, did you hear he is planning a holiday while he either resigns in Calgary or goes to a team that he might win a cup with? weird time to be visiting Vancouver... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Yeah, it's that bad...Oilers fans on this site's only Oilers thread...would prefer to talk about the Flames than their own team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Yeah, it's that bad...Oilers fans on this site's only Oilers thread...would prefer to talk about the Flames than their own team. Most still have the blinders on so even Katz's threats are easily forgiven. They supported the rebuild from the ditch to the degree that they figure any amount of tax $s to let them reap the "potential" is worth it. ________________________________________________ In other news, Peter Pocklington had 3 months added to his probation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokernHockey Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Most still have the blinders on so even Katz's threats are easily forgiven. They supported the rebuild from the ditch to the degree that they figure any amount of tax $s to let them reap the "potential" is worth it. ________________________________________________ In other news, Peter Pocklington had 3 months added to his probation. I see what you did there tying your comment about Katz into another shady Oilers owner. the guy who traded Gretzky in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I see what you did there tying your comment about Katz into another shady Oilers owner. the guy who traded Gretzky in his prime. Me? Where's that halo smilie when I need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Interesting tidbit...I was wondering how long something's been up with Seattle and the Oilers. So, I looked to see if anyone had registered SeattleOilers.com. A Toronto Lawyer had registered it, on September 23, 2012. Hmm. I certainly hadn't heard anything about this until late October. I guess others had... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 The Oilers are in the top 5 in income in the league, making 17 times more than the Flames last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronco73 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Most still have the blinders on so even Katz's threats are easily forgiven. They supported the rebuild from the ditch to the degree that they figure any amount of tax $s to let them reap the "potential" is worth it. ________________________________________________ In other news, Peter Pocklington had 3 months added to his probation. No blinders here. I'm furious with him over that 400k check to the PC's. It's BS that he and the PC's can get away with that. And then for Redford to claim she had no knowledge of it. The whole fiasco screams collusion to me. I just wonder what he is getting in return for his donation. Provincial funding for the arena perhaps? I think Edmonton city council should just build it on their own with zero input from Katz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjgallow Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 No blinders here. I'm furious with him over that 400k check to the PC's. It's BS that he and the PC's can get away with that. And then for Redford to claim she had no knowledge of it. The whole fiasco screams collusion to me. I just wonder what he is getting in return for his donation. Provincial funding for the arena perhaps? I think Edmonton city council should just build it on their own with zero input from Katz. yeah, that was bad. Real bad. Now I don't even know what to say...I think that's a first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 No blinders here. I'm furious with him over that 400k check to the PC's. It's BS that he and the PC's can get away with that. And then for Redford to claim she had no knowledge of it. The whole fiasco screams collusion to me. I just wonder what he is getting in return for his donation. Provincial funding for the arena perhaps? I think Edmonton city council should just build it on their own with zero input from Katz. I'm pretty sure political parties get greased all of the time by business when it comes to political donations. You can even see that in every election in North America, the popular right wing party almost always gets more donations than the popular left wing party. Didn't the Wildrose get more donations than the PCs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronco73 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 I'm pretty sure political parties get greased all of the time by business when it comes to political donations. You can even see that in every election in North America, the popular right wing party almost always gets more donations than the popular left wing party. Didn't the Wildrose get more donations than the PCs? Yes they did, in fact they got way more. They even got a donation from Darryl Katz. What did not happen though is a donation of over 400 thousand dollars from Katz when current election laws allow for a limit of 30 thousand dollars by any single person or entity of their own money. Katz followed the law when he donated to the wildrose party, he donated less than 30K to them. But, his donation to the PC's is at question. If the 450K came from Katz then it is an illegal donation, no matter how many people he named as co-donators. If it was all his money then it is breaking the law, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyerfan52 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Yes they did, in fact they got way more. They even got a donation from Darryl Katz. What did not happen though is a donation of over 400 thousand dollars from Katz when current election laws allow for a limit of 30 thousand dollars by any single person or entity of their own money. Katz followed the law when he donated to the wildrose party, he donated less than 30K to them. But, his donation to the PC's is at question. If the 450K came from Katz then it is an illegal donation, no matter how many people he named as co-donators. If it was all his money then it is breaking the law, period. I remember reading that Katz donated to near the max for the Wildrose Party as well. Rich people do that to avoid being seen as personally favoring either side should they win. Are you doubting Daryl's word that the remainder of the cash being attributed to him really came from his family, pets & business associates (he just collected it from them to present in 1 large check so the party didn't have to spend the time writing up deposit slips rather then campaigning). __________________________________________________ He said you'd lose for a lot of seasons to rebuild the team & held true to his word. Ignore the fact he was going to contribute some of his own money to a new arena & cover cost overruns (it was a slip of the tongue) . He was just joking. . Just like the # of seasons of 1/1 he wasn't sure how many $s that arena would take. As for the threats of moving the Oilers, he just has a strange sense of humor. He likes the Seahawks & toured the arena while there to see if there was anything the Oilers might enjoy (so he can incorporate it into the design if/when he thinks the city will build him a new 1 ). See, Daryl Katz has proven his concern for Oilers fans to the same degree as those standup guys Donald Fehr & Gary Bettman show their concern for hockey fans in general. None would deprive the fans of the product. _____________________________________________________ Just a FYI to everyone. The Subway Super Series kicks off tonight on Sportsnet. QMJHL vs Team Russia. Go Team Quebec! MacKinnon is playing wing so we can see if he's versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carty Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Yes they did, in fact they got way more. They even got a donation from Darryl Katz. What did not happen though is a donation of over 400 thousand dollars from Katz when current election laws allow for a limit of 30 thousand dollars by any single person or entity of their own money. Katz followed the law when he donated to the wildrose party, he donated less than 30K to them. But, his donation to the PC's is at question. If the 450K came from Katz then it is an illegal donation, no matter how many people he named as co-donators. If it was all his money then it is breaking the law, period. The Oilers and Edmonton were better off with the last ownership group... Katz is Edmontons new Peter Pocklington, except he is smarter (aside from this donation fiasco) and has a lot deeper pockets... Can Katz be trusted?, I think his negotiations in the arena deal show that he should not be... That said, there is no way I can see Bettman moving a team that makes money to an unproven location where they might just become another drain on the system... As long as the true need for a new arena is met within a suitable time frame, one way or another... Katz is just trying to cut the Northlands Group out of the picture and have someone else pay for a new home for the team so he can make money without having to use more than a token fee of his own ... Another proposal to buy time (if necessary), would be to do some renovations to "Rexall Place", just change the name after the contract is up... That would give the city time to build their own facility and cut Katz out of the picture, and maybe they could let the Northlands group run it for them, and everyone (except Katz) would be happy... The other events like concerts alone, would go a long ways towards paying the bill... It is one of the busiest facilities for rock concerts on the planet... Katz is just trying to call a bluff... The response should be to eliminate him from the equation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alicenchains Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think Daryl Katz wants to ensure the Oilers are a very very profitable team not by cutting corners he wants the best team on the ice with the best facility, etc... making the Oilers one of the premier hockey teams and atmosphere's he just doesn't want to pay for it but wants to make all the money from it. We may all think he is an idiot, rude and arrogant, but what he is, is a damn good CEO. He isn't making any friends but if he gets everything he wants the Oilers will not only be in Edmonton long term they will have tons of cash be able to luxuriate there players and spend to the cap every year. While obviously illegally donating generous donations to a party looks awful I actually don't believe it had anything to do with the Oilers, there are a lot of changing laws in the pharmaceutical business ,just as seedy, but I believe his donations were to aid him in his over the counter drug empire. Where he actually makes money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I think Daryl Katz wants to ensure the Oilers are a very very profitable team not by cutting corners he wants the best team on the ice with the best facility, etc... making the Oilers one of the premier hockey teams and atmosphere's he just doesn't want to pay for it but wants to make all the money from it. We may all think he is an idiot, rude and arrogant, but what he is, is a damn good CEO. He isn't making any friends but if he gets everything he wants the Oilers will not only be in Edmonton long term they will have tons of cash be able to luxuriate there players and spend to the cap every year. While obviously illegally donating generous donations to a party looks awful I actually don't believe it had anything to do with the Oilers, there are a lot of changing laws in the pharmaceutical business ,just as seedy, but I believe his donations were to aid him in his over the counter drug empire. Where he actually makes money. There is very little provincial regulation that is directed towards the Drug Industries. Putting big sums of money into a provincial Government for that industry would not be the best place to put your donations. By comparison just about all the regulation for the Oil Industry is from the Provincial Governments, unless you need to take a pipeline to another country or something. My view of Daryl Katz is quite different than yours. I could have sworn he had an agreement with city and now wants to change that deal. Nickel-and-diming a deal he already had with the City is also nickel-and-diming the Fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 There is very little provincial regulation that is directed towards the Drug Industries. Putting big sums of money into a provincial Government for that industry would not be the best place to put your donations. By comparison just about all the regulation for the Oil Industry is from the Provincial Governments, unless you need to take a pipeline to another country or something. My view of Daryl Katz is quite different than yours. I could have sworn he had an agreement with city and now wants to change that deal. Nickel-and-diming a deal he already had with the City is also nickel-and-diming the Fans From what I understand, the deal he had in place with the city was on the basis he would get a casino permit but he didn't get it so now he's trying to rework the deal to have similar numbers without the casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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