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4 hours ago, MP5029 said:
Hahaha! Clever well played!
I read the one comment, I’m not sure if they understand RyJo is going, the poster sounds like
al they are hearing is Byram…
maybe respond with, so your happy to keep RyJo…or would be happy with sending a 1st to move him and still be in need of a Ctr?
On second thought, maybe if we shed a few $$$ we should take RyJo and a first this year then, next year when Col is desperate or maybe even this summer trade Kadri to the for another 1sr lol
Took your advice... posted! lol
-edit. Still going. Found one guy to support the trade! 3 or 4 others are not. Most are ignoring RyJo being moved but have no problem saying how much they HATE him.
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Colorado is extremely sour on RyJo. I read through their message boards and its pitchforks and torches for him and the GM for acquiring him. other threads talking about buying him out, sending him and a first to get rid of him, and Targeting Dowd or Mittlestadt in trades including Byram and picks. But from what I understand Buffalo wants a goalie in return this season for mittlestatd.
I’m tempted to create an account and pitch my trade proposal for Kadri to the Avs faithful. Their GM may look like a hero if he was able to get Kadri back.
-edit. I created an account. See the responses/roasts here 😂
https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/avs-acquire-ryjo-50-for-chucky.2932592/post-193837583
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5 hours ago, MP5029 said:
Gotta say Conroy is trending into a GM much like Sackic and Yzerman
Kent Hughes is also writing the book on winning trades and asset management… I hope Conroy is trending and taking notes there as well. -
9 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
The reasons for trading Markstrom for me are much more selfish. I don't want to win games just because Marky is playing out of his mind. We have seen up and down from him, so if he plays well the rest of the year, next year is likely to be a down year. Trading him in the summer is probably where you get the best value from him, but the way the team is playing is putting a 16th overall in play. The more we win, the more likely the pressure is to make the team better now. That means more likely a 16th.
Hanifin has to be gone. It's untenable. He has 10 years in the league and wont' be as good for the next 8. I don't buy that he is nearing him best years. I think he is in them. There is debate to that, but he's no Gio. He's stayed pretty consisten over the last 5 years, and I think he's hit his ceiling. The question becomes does it make sense to get high value now or hope that we have a team that contends in less than 5. I am a little worried that the offers from teams are lowballs since they just figure they can get him in the summer. They are playing chicken with TDL.
Tanev has to be moved. Best defensive player we have, but his injury history just makes him too much a risk. For a re-tooling team, he doesn't make sense.
Mangiapane should be considered for a trade, but that's not a TDL deal. SUmmer for sure.
In short, trade Hanifin and Tanev. Get back a C and some high value prospects and maybe some decent picks. Leave Markstrom for the summer, but give Wolf starts.
Like. And I agree Mangiapane should be evaluated over the summer re: trade. (I’ve been a big fan for a long time, but for the last 2 seasons I haven’t seen the “bite” in his game that made me become a big fan of his)
And to add, Hanifin is getting the “Tanev Bump” right now. And since everyone knows Tanev is getting traded, expect Hanifin to be impacted significantly. Tanev makes every D partner he’s with look more like a star. Trading Tanev? Trade Hanifin!!!!
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and consider signing Gio (1yr, minimum) and/or Brodie (1 or more) in the summer *if necessary* to fill D spots and allow Gio to retire a flame. Classy.
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5 hours ago, MP5029 said:
Not a huge fan of RyJo, but buying out 4 mil if needed is far cheaper than 7…even if you retain 1 on Kadri it still saves you 2 mil and then the other consideration is you save 6 mil for like 5 years on the Kadri term…so that’s also a win…if it gets you Byram it’s a total
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Im on the same page MP. I’m not a fan of RyJo either, although I wouldn’t buy him out with only 1 more year on his contract after this one. We’re retooling. He fits a position of need if Kadri goes the other way. Also, he’ll be entering the final year of his deal - we’ve seen many players pick up their socks for their next contract.At the very very least,
- he buys us TIME for our “retool”
- we accumulate young NHLers, picks, and prospects NOW, to get the wagon pointed the right direction
- then RyJo becomes a TDL trade chip for next season to acquire additional assets, or we evaluate if there’s a role for him here.
- most importantly, we get that young LD in Byram.
Again, I’m not a fan of RyJo. But I am a fan of the flames. This is just a business transaction involving assets that can help our team accomplish the “retool” we’re doing. It would get us a C with very little term to slot in for Kadri, and in Byram an outright cheaper and team controlled (RFA) LD to replace Hanifin. Yes, you can likely file this trade proposal under the “unrealistic” category… but God Damn would this be an incredible display of asset management by Conroy if he could navigate a trade like this. Capitalism is based on exploitation, Colorado exploits our need for a young D for the future, we exploit their need for a quality C to maximize their window for Stanley cups now. Win win.
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18 minutes ago, robrob74 said:
i like your creativity even if just for reading... I wish it was easy to do. What if Calgary can retain 1,000,000 in the Kadri contract, essentially a cheaper buyout?
Thanks Robrob. If retaining $1M gets us Byram, I’d do it. But, 6 years is a long time to retain $1M for… and, usually when a team retains salary (for 6 years!) there’s additional compensation involved.
Some (most?) may see my proposal as too tilted in Calgary’s favour, but, I always look at it from the other team’s perspective too. Who else is going to be able to help them out cap-wise by taking RyJo back in a trade (with an additional year on his contract)? Out of the limited C’s out there, who’s a better fit than Kadri? With their logjam of Dmen on the left side (and our purging of defensemen) who’s a better fit to send Byram to, get that much needed C (who’s already a fit and has chemistry), and take RyJo in return? If possible, I try to keep it with no salary retention. The salaries of RyJo and Byram are just above Kadri. Colorado simply pays to upgrade their C with an expendable D.
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22 hours ago, DirtyDeeds said:
Perfect timing. 🤑🤞🏻 -
A few hits:
- Friedman reported tonight he believes the devils and flames had a serious conversation about Markstrom, and that the convo ended fairly quickly. Both teams mum on anything of the sort. I think there’s a fit there. If we could get Mercer in the return… maybe that’s where the convo stopped. Doesn’t mean it’s over though. The news above about Carolina being interested in Markstrom too, and Buffalo putting Casey Middlestat out there specifically for a goalie in return *now*, puts us in a better position to get the return we want.
- Hanifin. There’s no doubt in my mind that we should trade him. Contract offers have been out there, and his waffling and indecision speaks volumes to me. Cut him loose, or prepare yourself for his eventual trade request a year or two into the contract because he changed his mind. Would Philly be interested? Konecny? Frost? Would they be a good trade partner?
- Tanev. Seravalli says a 2nd round pick. Well, there are lots of teams with 2nd round picks that want him and likely put it on the table. With Sergachev going down in TB, every other team just got nervous. First one to blink and give us a first gets him.
- Kadri??? Hear me out. I LIKE what we’re seeing from Kadri lately, however, I don’t see it as sustainable, and I don’t like the term on the contract. if there’s a chance to move him I’d do it 100%. With Lindholm and Monahan off the board, center men are slim pickings and COL is still looking for one. *IF* we can get a young C in another trade like Dawson Mercer (I heard Middlestat plays C as well, that true?) and COL is interested in Kadri, we know COL has no cap space. Apparently Ryan Johansen (center) is the salary COL wants to move out. Well, to send Kadri to COL and take back RyJo to help the dollars work, it’ll cost you Bowen Byram COL. Salaries fit perfectly. No retention needed. And the salary cap is going up, what is it $4M next season? I think that works money-wise and player-wise for Colorado, and we get back a C in RyJo (2 years on his contract including this one) and Byram to replace Hanifin.
Am I out to lunch??? Have at’er boys (and gals)
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5 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Markstrom loses his mind and wants a goal.
What a mess.
That was awesome. This team is feeling so good that Marky actually took a chance at the open net. Loving this right now.
Weegar with the hatty too. Amazeballs
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Woot woot! Great kill
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Exactly. Since the Lindholm trade he’s seemed lighter
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Islanders coming at us now. Need to push the other way.
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8 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I'm not sure what the deflection off Tanev had to do with the refs thinking this was a good goal.
If you hit the other team's player but your guy is still offside, how is that even a decision to make.
The refs seemed so confused as to what was going on.
Leave it to a Flames game to have a weird goal and it needs to go to review.
seems to happen to the flames A LOT. That no goal against NJ just the other day comes to mind where the goalie came out to play it and we scored in the empty net. No goal. No call. No offside. Wtf? -
Weird series of events there lol
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Big save there.
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2 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
4th line looks better with Pelletier and Rooney.
Yup, I admit I had written off Rooney after last year.
Maybe playing with Lucic hurt his game?
Me too TD. I couldn’t validate BT saying Rooney was a guy on their radar. Looking ok now!
The moves and injection of youth has me excited to watch flames hockey again. GFG!
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50 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Hanifin at 7.5 x 8? He's na;ready played close to 10 years, most at an okay level.
Does he have some flair? Sure.
Does he make poor reads? Sure.
Is he worth 7.5? Nope.
I really only like his offesnive game, and that's not always, just sometimes.
I think we can do a lot better for that kind of money.
This.
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Hmmm. I don’t know if I agree with everyone on the Markstrom front. Just the candidness of his interview tells me there are scenarios and/or teams he’d be willing to go to, making a trade within the realm of possibility. As for the return, we could potentially get more in a summer swap, but I also think about the team that trades for him. They’ll likely have to get rid of a goalie. So, at the very least there should be a price to acquire Marky plus an additional cost to take back one of their goalies.
Who needs a goalie anyway?
LA? Carolina? NJ?
I agree that a summer trade allows for more teams to get in on Markstrom, but like everyone here agrees - if there’s an offer that is really good for him, you gotta look at it.
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4 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I just read a crazy stat and I don't know if I really trust it.
We are 20-10-4 with Pospisil in the lineup?
How is that possible?
I guess anything is pospisil!
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5 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
The reason for the whistle was contact with the goalie.
That's a f'in joke.
He was on the boards fighting for the puck.
Kadri was tripped into him.
The NHL has some tape to review for all referees after that gaffe.
And I agree Marky is the unlikeliest of moves, however, I’d like to see it so our pick gets better for the draft. 😬 Wolf and Vlad can split the rest of the season.
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1 minute ago, travel_dude said:
Even though we are out of the playoff picture, we are relatively close to the WC spot.
Currently 1 point out of WC2.
More games played of course.
When Tanev moves, it’ll hurt us. If Hanifin and Markstrom move as well (I hope so on both accounts) it’ll hurt more -
That was a good scene on the bench with Pelts and Rooney and Deuher is it? Good juju
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Flames win. Good game. This team has become entertaining again. New blood. New future. Even Eric Francis has been lighter on the mic. Good vibes all around.
Realistic (and unrealistic) Trades - 2024 Edition
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You and me both TD. Pachal has been better than I anticipated in his 3rd pairing role, and so far he and Kylington seem to be meshing well. Kylington has gotten up to NHL speed in no time... his quickness is incredible. I even saw Pachal rushing the puck and making some nifty moves, despite him being touted as a stay-at-home, physical type, with little offence and few points to show for it.
Re: Hanifin and Buffalo. I've read a lot online about BUF and it seems Mittelstadt is available because
A - they don't want to pay him his increase in salary (because they've already committed to a bunch of players with higher salaries), and Hanifin needs a pay day next season as well.
B - word is they're looking for a bonified goalie in return for THIS SEASON. They don't want to wait for the summer, because they want the team to use the rest of this one to gel with the new goalie (so they're ready to go to start the new season)
If there's truth to this, I mean, Middelstadt fits the age for our retool and is listed as C/LW. I don't watch Buffalo much, but Middelstadt may be a fit for our need at C. Based on his stats, he appears to be a distributer of the puck. I just have a hard time seeing Markstrom waive for Buffalo - regardless that he said the power is in Conroy's hands.