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16 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
SInce you represent those other two teams, I will have to ask you to recluse yourself from the negotiations.
I would give Elliott a bit more for one year. I think he has earned at least some opportunity to play here again, playoffs aside.
I would agree completely. I dont think elliott is going to get term on the open market and he seems to want to be here so I would give him the chance to come back. I dont think this team would be making a good choice to bring in bishop or fleury, the flames have made a habit of turning over goaltenders, elliott didnt have the playoffs he wanted but his second half was very good. I dont see any reason other then the playoffs to not bring him back unless hes asking for long term security. I dont think this team would be making the right call by adding bishop( who has a history of injuries) long term or fleury long term, we need a stop gap ie elliott. I dont think these 4 games are a good example of elliotts playoff ability and I would look to him to bounce back.
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2 hours ago, cross16 said:I really think he'll be back, but boy oh boy am I going to lose it if they don't bring him back.....
I think id lose my mind if the flames didnt bring him back.
Only JJ would find problem with BT.
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7 hours ago, rickross said:
The draft is still months from now and the focus is playoffs right now but anyone have an idea who the Flames could target with their 1st Rd pick? Do they even bother keeping the pick at all ? The 2nd Rd pick doesn't bother me because we did get an NHL ready prospect in Lazar and Stone was worth a 3rd IMO..but only if we resign him!
I would not be suprised to see the flames trade the first if we can pick up a young #4 dman that would fit with finishing up our D corp or a young winger to solidify our top 9, otherwise I would assume we make the pick.
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12 minutes ago, Carty said:
Especially when we consider that he had much smaller pads, and the fact that Vernon was 5'9" and 167 lbs, he was an incredible goaltender and we were very lucky to have him on the Flames... When I look at the pic that Deeds posted it sure seems like there is a whole lot of net exposed, but he was definitely one of the best in the league at stopping the puck... Vernon was something special...
If I was better at photoshop or something I would like to see what a modern day tendy looks like super imposed on that photo, that would be the real kicker. A player like bishop has to be twice the size of vernon plus the increase in gear size.
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5 hours ago, rickross said:
I'd like to think RW is still our weakest depth position, right now we have Brouwer, Ferland, Chiasson and F. Hamilton as our main RW group. Prospect wise, Poirier can play RW as well as and hopefully Pribyl can make the team next year. I'd believe their still in the market for someone to take the 1st line RW spot permanently.. Ferland has been playing well but he's likely more of a 2/3rd liner moving forward. Its not an emergency but it'd be nice to lock up a foundational RW to complete a true 1st line.
Crosby has not foundational wingers for years and hes been just fine. You dont need 3 all starts to make a line anymore, look around the league almost every big name scorer is either paired or solo, theres very few threesomes. Alot of big name players will play together on the powerplay but their 5 on 5 time is usual seperate. All the johnny/mony line needs is a guy who can crash and bang consistently, has enough skill to not be a liabiliy, and let them go about their business.
I could go team by team and list off all the lines to prove this point, but I dont think thats necessary. The pittsburgh penguins do it right spreading out malkin, kessel, and crosby on 3 lines, bringing them together for the pp and finding the right players to compliment them 5 on 5.
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On 3/9/2017 at 6:36 PM, Kulstad said:
Not seeing any mudslinging, just a simple question. Now, everyone play nice, or I'll send you all to your rooms for a time-out.
We have rooms? I knew I liked this site for a reason.
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1 minute ago, MAC331 said:
You seem to be missing my point, he is a UFA and can go where ever he wants.
Yes he can, the possiblity is there.
That doesnt mean the opportunity is there for him to go wherever. I think I agree there is probably very few teams looking for his services, and ever fewer who will be looking to give him an extension.
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1 hour ago, MAC331 said:
I wouldn't have any problem signing back both Elliott and Johnson on 2 year deals but any increase in salary will depend on where either of them takes us this year. I would like to see BT target Mrazek from DET if he is available.
I would be ok with BT signing elliot or johnson to a 2 year deal, that would be perfect length. I wonder if we could get mrazek for our 1st in this years draft, im not 100% sold we need to acquire a #1 goalie, I feel like we may be playing the wait and see game with this one.
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36 minutes ago, MAC331 said:
I have never looked, where did Panarin come from, out of college ? On your other comment, players will give your team serious consideration only when they see the situation best for them, if they have the freedom of choice. Bowman may have inherited a good situation however he is doing a continuously great job making it work.
He came out of the KHL, so he had plenty of experience to draw upon. Yes I agree the situation best for them, some guys look for oppurtunity, some want to win thats the real problem. While one guy might have looked at calgary the past couple years and said I get to play if I go there, other guys might have said they wont win anything, where as chicago there is a good shot at winning.
3 minutes ago, The_People1 said:Only one GM wins the Cup per year.
I'm saying let's get that level of GM or judge BT against that level of GM. We should not be satisfied with "win some lose some" results because that's not going to get it done. So far, BT has won some and lost some. Albeit, he is winning more than he is losing and so extrapolating his results over a long period of time, we can safely assume the good will accumulate to outweigh the bad significantly.
So, I'm not saying BT needs to go, just that he isn't there yet.
You could definatly say the same things about bowman if thats who we are going to judge against. His bickell contract wasent exactly the best idea, for one example.
https://committedindians.com/stan-bowman-history-as-chicago-blackhawks-gm/
Gives a pretty good list of all his activity, and I wouldnt say he won on every deal, he definatly lost some. The comments by blackhawks fans on some of his deals are funny though.
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Just now, MAC331 said:
The fact is you just don't know how any young prospect will turn out, other than the few obvious ones. You luck into players like Panarin because they emerge with the hard work and the right opportunity. The moves Bowman makes around his now mature core players feeds their consistent success, something the Flames are building towards but have a ways to go. I really like the possibilities of this Lazar acquisition, if he can bust out in a top 6 capacity we will all be happy.
True. But with a player like panarin or vesey in new york even, the flames can be in on those players trying to sign them they still have to want to come to your team, I remember the flames being in on panarin. Yes bowman is good at making trades of the right players but the blackhawks of built up their prospect base over years and are really good at drafting, I think their scouts deserve just as much credit. To be honest even with a guy like panik thats their pro scouts doing good work recognizing a guy with good top end skill that can ride shot gun with toews. I dont think the flames are that far away, but I agree lazar could end up busting out into a top 6 player but if he ends up like frolik I wont be that upset.
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1 hour ago, travel_dude said:
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Some bad picks in the drafts, sure. MacDonald over Demko - jury still out. Kaurnakhov went to Russia since he was still just going to play junior here.
You can say PITT's GM is a great GM or had enough assets built over time to make good trades. We lost Iggy and JBow for a song. What is left is some good players and some great ones, but no top prospects that aren't playing. How do you win trades with nothing great to trade with, other than your best players? Could trade Gio at the top of his game or Hamilton. Or trade a young star. No great GM is going to fare out better in trades right now.
Yeah I dont know why people are still upset over the macdonald over demko thing, both havent exactly lit the world on fire in their first years pro. Although demko is playing in the AHL, its pretty hard to make a call at this point, just once again shows how much voodoo goalies can be.
The hunter smith pick, I dont really have a problem with. I know people think its the worst pick for BT, but 11 points in 34 games with a +8 isent great but its not terrible. Hes still only 21 and has been a bit of a late bloomer even in junior. Dont get me wrong, I dont think he will ever be a brandon saad or something, but he could be a very good bottom 6 player for us in a couple years.
Its not about just finding a panarin for free, its that panarin wanting to come play for your hockey club. I dont necessarily agree that a great GM needs to be like stan bowman, and finding panarin. Bowman hasent really had to do all that much in Chicago, other then maintain what was built by dale tallon. Yes hes won a couple cups, but hes also had his bad moments.
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18 hours ago, TrippinVdUb said:
No offense, but I completely disagree with that assessment, this team needed time to bring it together and get on the same page, now that the coaches, players and goalies have some familiarity the team looks to be turning a corner.
Elliot left a good situation in St Louis that has been under the structure of a hall of fame coach for years and walked into a rebuilding team, playing a new style for a new coach.
If Elliot and Johnson get us into the playoffs, I think they deserve the oppertunity to come back next season and show what they can do, infront of a team that should be a little more polished than they were at the start of this year.
You cant just run goalies through a revolving door until one has a Veizna like season, these guys need time to learn how to win together, as a team.
You do realize I said I would bring one of elliot or johnson back, just not both. I agree with your assessment that that you dont wait for a vezina caliber goalie and then sign him long term, but it also doesnt mean you necessarily lock up elliot/johnson who have been average.
Elliot for 2 years is much different then elliot for 3 years, id be ok with elliot for 2 years, but if thats the case im not bringing johnson back.
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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:
A bit of both.
LA is a still a threat. I'm not as worried about them as last season, but they still are in the picture playing without their top goalie and mostly getting a single goal per game.
Other than Grossmann, we still have mostly the same team. We need to score against a Sutter-style team. They can lock down a one goal lead.
I agree completely. I wasent trying to understate how important this game will be or what a threat LA is going to be. I just agree with you, they arent as dangerous as past years and look to be on the backside of winning a cup now.
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1 hour ago, TrippinVdUb said:
If the Flames make the playoffs then I resign bith Elliot and Johnson in the offseason...
Elliot $3.5-$4.25 for 3 years
Johnson $1.5-$2 for one year
I'm very comfortable with this tandem and what Ive seen frim them this year. Big picture, this was a tram that came out flat to start the season and has taken allot of strides, learning how to win together and I belive keeping Chad and Brian in the fold will pay dividends in the near future.
This team is on the cusp of turning the corner and will be scary good, just wait and see!
I dont think we want to lock up elliot long term, but thats just my opinion. Elliot is not the answer in net, and locking him up at that price for 3 years is probably not the best idea. Has he been solid recently, yes he has but hes not a long term answer. Id be ok with bringing him or johnson back for another year but thats about it.
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7 hours ago, travel_dude said:
We had trouble in the past against LA, but we were struggling at the time. We also had Grossmann on the ice. When was the last time the 3M line was -2 and every single forward (except Ferland) was a minus on the ice? LA struggles to score now. We don't o much, plus we are getting at least league average goaltending.
Are you agreeing with me? or what?
We are going back to game on nov 3, and we are going to talk about us vs LA tommorrow like thats the comparison? Should we go over some of the highlight reel plays by grossman in that game?
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9 hours ago, robrob74 said:
For me, the cost is the most important factor. Was Bishop going to cost us too much to acquire? And how much would he cost $$$?
Well while the goalie cost wouldnt be too bad, I think cernak would have been like trading a hickey, and then a 7th rounder. Im assuming the 2017 conditional pick is for the playoffs, and whether bishop will play. If that conditional pick ends up being a 2nd, did we really want to pay a 2nd + hickey for bishop? I dont.
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9 hours ago, rickross said:
We'll see, I like the additions but I really want to see how they perform against some of the top teams..L.A might put things in perspective. Burke made a good point about the importance of doing deals prior to the deadline as the players have a few games before TDL to get acclimated with the team. A lot of these last minute deals, especially D men could really affect a teams groove..especially if their in the midst of a win streak.
You mean top teams like tampa and florida or nashville? While I agree the game against LA tuesday will be interesting, I dont know if I consider them a top team anymore, they are struggling to produce offence this year, it should be a good game though.
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Just now, DirtyDeeds said:
If you think that Engelland and Brouwer are his biggest mistakes then you have some huge blinders on.
Mason Raymond - We are still paying for this mistake and will pay next year too.
Devin Setoguchi - Dores anyone think he was a good aq
Brandon Bolig
why was devin setoguchi a mistake? Did I miss something on a one year tryout that didnt work out? crazy big mistake there.
Mason raymond was coming off a pretty good comeback season in toronto, no one could have predicted he would have fallen off, oh well buyouts happen.
Brandon bollig, was the mistake trading a 3rd for him, I can forgive this it happened a month after he was the GM, not the end of the world, not a huge mistake.
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2 minutes ago, MAC331 said:
That's good, we needed defensemen that can be tougher on the puck in our end. I think Jokipakka and Kulak are good young defensemen that will come along in that area.
I dont know if jokkipakka is back next year, he just has not been good this year at all.
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I think the big question with GMs always is if they arent doing anything stupid what exactly does a guy like lombardi do that is such a huge upgrade? A gm isent like a coach where you are going to get some huge upgrade. A GMs job is to manage the cap, make sound trades and help the team get better players for the coach to do his job. I think the arguement would be has BT done a good job with those things. BT was an upgrade on feaster because he wasnt the greatest hockey mind, but is someone like lombardi going to be a huge upgrade, I dont see why.
BT has made some good trades, the hamilton one comes to mind first and foremost obviously, but even the russell trade was a good one. Has he made some mistakes ie the signing of engelland or brouwer sure, but these arent big mistakes and really they arent costing the team anything at this point.
A GM is someone you can keep around for years if he has a plan and isent doing anything dumb, bowman in chicago has made some dumb choices, but he just keeps trucking along because hes winning cups. But some of his choices havent been very smart ie giving Bickell big money.
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1 minute ago, tmac70 said:
I would say after removing Wideman he looked the worse he did last game, could be a blimp, can't play well every game. To each their own, he is a good Dman, exceptional or elite i would disagree with those statements
He looked really bad with engelland to start the game, but playing with stone in the third I actually thought they looked good as a pairing in limited minutes in the third.
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7 hours ago, lou44291 said:
I kindly disagree. When Gio went down with injury, Brodie stepped up much like the rest of the D corps at the time, and we made the playoffs. Brodie was a tank without Gio by his side. Furthermore, I even recall the media debating whether it was Gio elevating Brodie's game, or vice-versa.
Additionally, I'm a left handed shot who's played right D my whole life. While I'm no NHL caliber player, I struggle playing the left side so much - my angles aren't as sharp, my stick defends towards the boards instead of the middle of the ice, etc. I would argue that switching sides is a huge adjustment, and Brodie has had to do it at the NHL level.
You are being a bit dramatic I've also played D my whole life. Brodie has played left D in his career, it's not a new thing for him. While I agree the reads are different on opposite sides of the ice and it can be different, a high level NHL player shouldn't have a rough time. Brodie hasent struggled as much as everyone is making it out to be as cross pointed out, I personally don't think he has played that badly, he's struggled at times it happens.
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5 hours ago, robrob74 said:
I didn't know where to put this, but because it deals with Wideman, I am posting here.
the Flames contacted the league about the penalties. They believe there is a Wideman effect.
Players are emotional, so are refs. The team chirping at the team doesn't help.
I read that as well, I've asked people I know who aren't flames fans about penalties and they have literally said whys that a penalty. I don't think their is a conspiracy theory by refs, but I do think the refs need to do a better job, there is way too many poor calls across the league, and the refs lack consistency.
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1 hour ago, 420since1974 said:
Treliving's moves have usually been good, trades and drafts well, he's been decent at asset management, and has not often grossly overpaid.
He has not been flawless, but I shudder whenever I recall the various disasters that Risebrough, Button, and Sutter put the team through.
i think this is the important part, everything that BT has done has set this team up for the future and the current team has not taken a back seat but hes not going to mortgage the future for a shot in the dark.
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Im sure fans have tried to work their way into sports, thats why you see guys like jay feaster who start off in lesser roles work their way into the hockey market. I dont think it would be doable for a fan to just step in as GM and I dont think theres a way for anyone to try.