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14 hours ago, robrob74 said:
I actually like playing the off wing more than playing my strong handed side. I get the NHL is a lot different. The D don’t ring it around the boards as much as they do in Beer League. But when the puck is rung around, I pick it up on the forehand when I play left wing. Albeit, it puts a player on the blindside. When I play RW I pick it up on my backhand more often.
but these are all elite level guys. I mean elite being the ability to play NHL in comparison to most of us. It’s like Heartbreaker said, any of these guys on any of our beer league teams means we are winning 12-3, that’s including Rinaldo. I don’t mean elite in the NHL...
When Ruutu was with the Canucks, we’d watch warmups and he’d do those puck drills like P. Kane, in a smaller three or four puck maze to handle around. He looked as good as Kane at doing it. It is the same with most bottom level NHLers.
I think we are blowing this LW/RW thing a touch out of proportion. Yes I believe BT has to start drafting skilled RS players. It’s an obvious organizational need and it’s probably more prevalent on the D than the forward group. We probably also need a Top6/9 RSC as well. Taking Lindholm from RW isn’t as terrible as some make it seem and it is a larger need than RW. It’s best to have options for C.
maybe Monahan won’t have to play hurt anymore. Or any other players for that matter... which I think playing hurt is a dangerous precedent to start. Look at Ryan Kesler. He had a good career but perhaps may have been more effective in the last few more years than he was. He played through a lot of injuries and it ruined his career, and his hockey afterlife. I still hate the guy.
I just don’t see the problem like others do.
I see the organizational need to concentrate on right shots. But I don’t see that they see that. They talk about how they see it, but they do nothing to fill it, and that there is BPA. In this last draft we saw so many right shots taken by other teams, none by the Flames until later in the Draft. We see other teams get RS players then wonder why we don’t have them. Start drafting right shot and we don’t have to complain about who slots where anymore.
suck it up NHLers, play your off wing, you’re making 2.2+ million to do it. I do it for a fee. In fact nearly 900.00 league fees in Vancouver to play off wing... or wherever Heartbreaker put me! I think NHLers could do it...
I agree with this.
I'm a LHS forward, but played D for a couple years as well.
All in all I've played every position at some point outside of goaltender.
As far as playing the off-side, I agree its been blown a little out of proportion at times.
It definitely takes an adjustment period and a few minor tweaks.
But once you get used to it its just as comfortable as playing "strong-side"
As far as forward position preference for me it went: C, RW, LW in that order.
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1 hour ago, robrob74 said:
If the fans can’t be in the buildings in some capacity, or let’s say they can, what if the farm teams travel with the parent teams and play the other team’s farm team either before or after the NHL game?
if there are fans in, maybe they can see a double header? I guess changing over a stadium would be hard to do in a pandemic, but maybe they can have different fans in the second game? Maybe it is a dumb idea.
Personally I dont think any idea could really be a dumb idea in these current times.
I just want to be able to see hockey live again at some point.
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4 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I know the KHL is a big step for a junior player to take.
But I wonder how far away from the NHL he really is.
He was pretty impressive at the Subway Series last year.
Sure, it's just junior players, but he shined.
I won't get all worked up about one KHL game, but you have to wonder.
Just thinking about fit for a minute, would he be right for Backlund or for Bennett.
Tkachuk-Backlund-Zav
Dube-Bennett-Mangiapane
or would this be more appropriate
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Dube-Bennett-Zav
I actually think both could work. Bennett's line becomes less of a grinding line and more skill and speed. Something he never had.
I really liked Zav in both of the last two training camps.
Specifically the most recent where I thought he was very close to pushing for a roster spot.
Looking like a great pickup for a 7th rounder so far.
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Markstrom tops my list as well.
He is a game changer.
Edit: Meant to post in trade suggestions thread.
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It is official.
Geoff Ward is our head coach for the coming season.
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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:
What I am wondering is whether we have anyone on the farm that is ready or could be ready very soon.
I'm probably higher on Zavgorodny than a lot here, but he has something we don't see much of in the top 9.
Speed and finish. A RHS for a change. Perhaps another Dube in the making.
And then there is Pelletier.
Is he close this year or is another year in junior needed.
I suspect the latter.
And then there is Phillips and Gawdin.
In that list there are perhaps 2 players that could be more impactful than Janko and Rieder.
Or freakin Rinaldo.
Could Gawdin replace the need to have Ryan?
On defense, does Yelesin have enough cred to make the top 7.
In the 4 games he played, he was steady.
Do we really need a player like Gus for just PP skills?
Where am I going with this.
Well, I don't want to blow it up.
But I also am tired of the mediocre players we tend to sign or trade for.
Rieder was fine, but is that all we hope for?
Janko - there's a player that could rebound, but he's too costly to take that chance again.
Ryan - fine, but doesn't move the needle for me. He's the definition of a safe player.
Gus and Forbs? We can do better.
Hamonic - a warrior that lost 50% of his game.
Gio - just doesn't show up for playoffs.
Backlund - even with more offensive start, still had a rough playoffs.
A change to the core is needed, just not sure that pieces playing on the top line is the place to start.
They get you to the playoffs, but the rest of the team needs to carry some water in the playoffs.
Like Bennett, Dube, Lucic, Ras and Talbot did.
Rieder is the kind of player you need every once in awhile.
I'm with you on Zavgorodniy. Huge fan here.
As for Pelletier I think he makes a serious push for a roster spot this coming season, he is close.
I would not bring back Gus or Forbort.
Both are good for special teams but I'd rather we groom Andersson/Hanifin/Valimaki to be effective in these situations as well, as we cannot afford the defensive gaffes that Gus and Forbort provide 5 on 5.
I'd like to drop Janko but bring back Rieder. Both are good on the PK but Rieder provides more energy and speed.
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4 minutes ago, cross16 said:
Could be money yes, I wont pretend to know Jersey's budget. From everything I read Gallant is very well respected across hockey circles. The only thing that keeps coming up though is he can be really stubborn and rigid in what he wants out of players. The buzz out of Vegas is the reason they made the decision to let him go was they were clashing on certain players and the fit. Case in point, Vegas got both Gusev and Tatar and Gallant soured quickly on both to the point they had to trade them and see them play better elsewhere. That didn't sit well with the Vegas front office.
That's a fair assessment, and considering how much they gave up for Tatar at the TDL only to have him play spot-duty in the bottom 6 for most of the 2018 playoffs it's not really surprising.
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23 minutes ago, jjgallow said:
I've come to the opinion that the Flames are entering their next rebuilding phase and don't know it or haven't accepted it yet. It's becoming less of a decision and more of a reallity.
They could be in denial for an entire year, worst case even 2. But I think they'll come to accept it sometime in the next year.No goalie whom all fans recognize is going to give us what we need, which is 8-10 years of top notch netminding. Wolf has an outside chance of that but nothing the Flames should be relying on as a ringer.
Currently strategies are either loading up on 3-4 Dustin Wolfs, or going for a big name prospect. Some of you may say 3-4 Dustin wolfs is too much. Well it's not. They're not all going to come through the same development system and many of them will dissapoint. In the very fortunate event that all are successful, you have trading assets. There simply is no downside to taking netminding seriously.
The other consideration is that we are very poor with developing goalies. Or at least our history has failed to produce results. This lends itself to getting big name prospects.
There is really just the one that stands out:
Yaroslav Askarov in the 2020 draft. He may fall to the Flames. If the Flames got an opportunity to upgrade their picks it would be better.Then you'e got:
Cayden Primeau
Jake Oettinger
Not sure who else. Obviously a short list.
From all the posts I've read on here it seems like you always believe the Flames are/should be rebuilding.
I fully disagree with this train of thought.
I do, however, agree with what you said about the organization's inability to develop quality netminders in recent years though.
Hopefully Wolf pans out.
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11 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:
I haven't seen much of him other than highlights. The comparison around the draft was Jaden Schwartz. Is he as much of a pest as Gallagher?
Hes got a sweet set of hands in tight and I think that may be where the Schwartz comparisons come from.
He may not be quite as agitating as Gallagher but he is very effective in the dirty areas just like him and how creative and successful he is with puck deflections reminds me of Gallagher quite a bit. Just an all-around sparkplug.
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1 hour ago, cross16 said:
Pretty cool that they would make him captain right away. Probably speaks to his character.
Over this past season I've been watching as much of Pelletier as I can and he plays with a ton of emotion.
He reminds me a lot of Brendan Gallagher with his skillset as well.
Excited to see what he can bring to the Flames.
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I'm hoping this Gio injury can be a real wake up call for the rest of the roster.
Step it up by committee and watch the results improve.
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2 minutes ago, phoenix66 said:
I get it .. i"m just not sold on Ward not having done enough to keep the job .. hes 14-6-1 , thats not brutal
he changed what wasnt working under Peters , had some mild success , but he didn't break what wasn't already broken , our issue always comes back to hating to lose ..
after break, I want to see Quine and Czarnik back in this lineup ...
Both Gallant and Laviolette missed the playoffs their first seasons ... so its not like they're saviors . People are shocked Gallant getting fired being in hunt for 1st .. right now we're tied for 1st..and we certainly weren't when he took over
I just think it sends the wrong message
Agree with the last sentence 100%.
I'm not sold on Ward just yet but I personally think he's earned a longer look.
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1 hour ago, cross16 said:
Been a tough year for Parsons but he’s starting to find some good success. Stopped 100 of his last 106 shots.
Flames still monitoring his usage coming off a groin injury.
Good stuff.
Yeah worse defenseman generally means more high-danger opportunities so those numbers are encouraging.
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On 12/23/2019 at 10:36 AM, cross16 said:
Agreed for 2 reasons.
1- There really aren't that many great ones. The ones that would be great no matter where they played and in what system/situation or what team they played for. There are more good goalies/QBs than very good/great ones and that leads to point 2.
2- For the rest of the good goalies/QB, you need the right mixture of team, scheme, coaching etc.
So unless you are getting a really great goalie, which again due to scarcity is tough to find, you need a lot to intersect to really feel good about your goaltending situation.
At the same time though a lot of this discussion is losing me because of the play of Rittich. I see a lot of "well the Flames have been bad at developing until Rittich". Well, just like a good QB, sometimes you need to only get it right once (which is often the case for many NHL teams).
That being said the 2 models, or teams, that i think you've seen do well with goalies is Anaheim and Washington and they've done well by continuing to take goalies at all point in the draft, no matter what the situation is on the NHL club. That's not a model the Flames have done well until recently, so that is the model they should continue.
I'd add Nashville and NYR to the teams you mentioned as well.
Rinne/Saros and Lundqvist/Georgiev is solid.
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1 minute ago, robrob74 said:
I think the team needs to play a better TeamD game. Do we have the guys to do that? If we were able to play better TeamD then I think goaltending would look better.
id love to have a game saver goalie - a guy that steals a bunch of games, but I also want a punishing D that Is suffocating. I’ve liked Nashville and St Louis’s D.
we say we would like to develop our guy, but traditionally, goalies sift through different organizations before reaching potential. How many teams hadBishop been on before he settled in a Dallas? Anderson is on his second team.
Elliott was supposed to be a starter, even he ended up with how many teams? He did really well with the Blues but didn’t match our system of play.
Anderson in Ottawa would’ve been great for us but didn’t end up here and went back into the draft. He was on 4 or more different teams as well.
goalies are tough and if we look at teams who didn’t develop their goalie, how many teams has their goalies played for prior to settling? Even Rask wasn’t drafted by the Bruins, but developed by them, yes.
would anyone here take Markstrom? He was drafted by a different team but a lot of his development happened the last few years with the Canucks.
could it be goalies might not make it due to the way the Flames play in front of them as well?
I'd take Markstrom in a heartbeat. He's been stellar for Vancouver.
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7 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
Luck has a lot to do with a goalie's development.
Murray came up at the exact right time.
Playing well in the AHL and had a contender in front of him.
He doesn;t seem to be magic right now.
Binnington came up amid a coaching change where players were fighting fo their jobs.
He's have 1/2 a good season and 1/2 a good one this year.
Could be a stud.
Rittich is a find.
Developed properly, at a later age, but still developed well.
Gillies was a big guy that looked like he could be a thing.
He's far too inconsistent and has not improved his weknesses much.
Ortio had a chance, but couldn;t even beat out lesser guys.
Inving....
Missed pick.
When you miss out on picks, you have to look outside.
And be lucky when one is available.
Bishop, Andersen, Bob, MAF...
All except Andersen became available due to being too expensive to keep (and drafts).
There's only a few actual prospectes turned NHL goalies out there.
And the sample size is still small.
And the chance of them having long careers is just as small.
We have a few guys developing that could take the next step.
Zagidulin and Parsons.
Wolf later.
Sure, the ones closest are not 18 year olds.
Very few are ready that early.
I have high hopes for Wolf. I think he may be a steal. His numbers this year are ridiculous.
I'm a big Parsons fan as well and I think he's full of potential.
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25 minutes ago, conundrumed said:
Looks like about 10. But we're talking about one goalie each, pretty much. Not a lot of constant success stories.
Some teams have multiple goalies they have developed that have not yet stolen the starter job. And if you consider just development from FA signings, the number is even higher.
Calgary has a long history of poor goalie development, and considering neither Rittich or Kiprusoff were drafted by the Flames it's easy to see why some here believe it's an issue.
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19 minutes ago, conundrumed said:
If most every team in the league weren't having the same issue, I would gladly blame Flames staff.
A lot of current NHL starters were drafted and developed by their respective clubs.
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He looked decent in camp but yeah not quite there yet.
If he continues his pace though I think he gets a good long look next year.
It sucks that there's only the two options with him though, as there is a point where a player is just too good for the CHL and it's not developmentally beneficial to send them back.
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On 12/1/2019 at 9:22 PM, rickross said:
Lol ok here we go..I’ll be checking your sources btw! He may have been listed as a head coach for the game however Bill Peters was still the official HC at the time, hence he was technically still the Associate coach with the win.
Semantics are semantics. Either way Ward ran the team in BUF and Peters was not behind the bench.
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I really like this kid and I sincerely believe that the size will not be much of an issue.
With the smaller equipment on goalies these days it's more about athleticism and vision than just being a big shot-blocker.
Juuse Saros is a good young goalie and I think he's only 5'11"
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I think what the worst part is is the younger players tend to have absolutely no interest in policing themselves. We saw it on the play with Zadorov earlier this season.
He's literally staring at the ref the whole time with this smug look like "you going to step in and break this up?"
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I've looked what I've seen from the tenders so far this season.
When the team puts out a more consistent effort up front, we will have a scary team.
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I've liked what I've seen from the tenders so far this season.
When the team puts out a more consistent effort up front, we will have a scary team.
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I would do Monahan and a second for Barzal in a heartbeat.
I see Barzal as a true #1C and believe he will be a perennial PPG guy in his prime.
His offense has been slightly stifled playing in Trotz's system so I believe he is just scratching the surface offensively.