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Every player in every league always needs to tweak their game. I am sure they are tweaking Tanguay's game, Amonte's game, hell every Flame has been tweaked the last 3 weeks.

Boyd is the real deal and will be in the NHL before long, should be there now and would be with just about any other club in the league. I am not sure the Flames organization is a good fit for him as they seem intent on sticking with an absolute defense first philosophy which Boyd can definitely play as he was D specialist his first two years in the WHL before he was turned loose to score.

Omaha is not scoring much and he is in on a very large percentage of their goals. He is a very humble, quiet kid that will learn all that Omaha wants to teach him. Get ready Flame fans this kid is our future.

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Boyd is the real deal and will be in the NHL before long, should be there now and would be with just about any other club in the league.  .

Did you watch his games when he was called up? I am not doubting that he is the real deal, and will be an effective NHLer at some point, but it was clear to me that he is not ready yet. So I have to partially disagree with your statement.

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He isn't ready. He didn't look like it in the pre-season and din't in the games he was called up in. Hes fast enough but and has the skill but his decision making and strength need to be improved.

He will improve and he is much better surved playing in Ohmam than up here and most teams would be in the same situation. Look at Spezza. for years everyone said oh hes ready, hes ready, they waited and it paid off.

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He isn't ready. He didn't look like it in the pre-season and din't in the games he was called up in. Hes fast enough but and has the skill but his decision making and strength need to be improved.

He will improve and he is much better surved playing in Ohmam than up here and most teams would be in the same situation. Look at Spezza. for years everyone said oh hes ready, hes ready, they waited and it paid off.

I have to agree with you, 110.4%

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Dustin Boyd lit the lamp again lastnight against the Syracuse Crunch!!!!!!!!! Boyd now has 18 points in 12 games and is currently 6th in the AHL in scoring.......this kid is going to have a very bright future......cant wait to meet him this coming Saturday.....as the Knights are having a post game skate after the game against the Houston Aeros..... :D

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I do not doubt that he will benefit from playing in the AHL but for how long and how much are certainly debateable. I just don't see the 18 minutes of ice time as being sufficient enough to get a good in sight to his abilities. I still believe if he was with most (over 20) other teams in the NHL he would be there now.

I fully understand that the flames brain trust gets paid enormous amounts of money to make these decisions, however they would not be the first to make a mistake. There is no way of telling if Spezza would have been better off had he been given the opportunity in Ottawa sooner, he wasn't so you just can't tell. He is doing great now, no question, perhaps he would have been even better sooner.

My point is and will remain, the Flames were off to a horrible start (which they have righted to some extent - still not getting many shots and have relied on Kipper more than they should) and were not scoring goals. They have a 20 year old (not 18) who is a proven playmaking centre and is in on over 40 per cent of the farm teams goals so far this season and they give him 18 minutes of ice time to prove his ability to play in the show, 13 of which game on the day he was called up and on the road to boot.

Bottom line is that calling him up seems to have woken the vets to some extent at least which is a win for the team. They have seen first hand that there is incredible talent waiting to replace them if they are not going to produce.

Lastly, the guy most of you other Flames fans would like to see is Conroy, well the Kings will trade Conroy for Boyd straight up right now and discussion have taken place. Personally I think that would be a horrible trade for the Flames but would not be surprised to see them make it as Sutter wants to win NOW, this year or he needs to abandon his system and rebuild in the mold of the successful and entertaining teams in the league.

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I do not doubt that he will benefit from playing in the AHL but for how long and how much are certainly debateable.  I just don't see the 18 minutes of ice time as being sufficient enough to get a good in sight to his abilities.  I still believe if he was with most (over 20) other teams in the NHL he would be there now.

He would only be there on a team that wasn't contedning. Look at Nashville with Radulove (more talent than boyd), Oilers and Shremp. ON a non -contending team, or a team rebuilding, yes he would be thtere, but no contending team would give quality ice time to a kid who needed to adjust his game.

I fully understand that the flames brain trust gets paid enormous amounts of money to make these decisions, however they would not be the first to make a mistake.  There is no way of telling if Spezza would have been better off had he been given the opportunity in Ottawa sooner, he wasn't so you just can't tell.  He is doing great now, no question, perhaps he would have been even better sooner.
Lastly, the guy most of you other Flames fans would like to see is Conroy, well the Kings will trade Conroy for Boyd straight up right now and discussion have taken place.  Personally I think that would be a horrible trade for the Flames but would not be surprised to see them make it as Sutter wants to win NOW, this year or he needs to abandon his system and rebuild in the mold of the successful and entertaining teams in the league.

NO discussions have taken place regarding conroy for Boyd. Sutter even said during the Dallas game that he is a big Boyd fan (Dusty he called him) and sees him as a big part of the teams future. He isn't going to trade him for anyone let alone Conroy, who he supposibly doesn't like anyway.

I don't know why you consistantly believe the Flames organization has no idea of how to handle players. YOu keep expecting them to mess up Boyds career. Sutter understand young players and how to mold them and Boyd will be much better next year or the year after when he becomes NHL ready.

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Cross, how is it you figure Radulov and Shremp have more talent than Boyd, is it because they were lower draft picks than Dustin?

Boyd had as good a year as either last year playing in the lower scoring WHL and missed a number of games due to his commitment to Canada's World Junior team. Where he was there leading scorer and one of the best forwards in the tournament and yes Canada won gold. Radulov won the Mem cup so good on him and he is a talent as well, just not better than Boyd right now and I do not believe he will be in the future either. Schremp is extremely overated and talk about a kid who is not strong enough to play in the NHL.

I said I think the time in Omaha will only help as he is getting PP and PK time to go with his regular shift. I do not think Sutter will ruin his career I just believe he would be playing in NHL if he was with another organization. I believe Darryl is extremely loyal to his veteran players and prefers to leave the youngsters on the farm regardless of how talented they are - Dion being the exception.

I am a fan and supporter of Dustin Boyd as well as the Flames (have been since the day they moved from Atlanta) and as such wish the Flames would have given him more of a chance than the 18 minutes he got. Yoy think I am overly supportive and I think you do not give him nearly enough credit. It will be interesting to see your position in 3 months, 6 months and a year from now. Mine is very unlikely to change. :)

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Cross, how is it you figure Radulov and Shremp have more talent than Boyd, is it because they were lower draft picks than Dustin?

NO, because i have seen all three play and those two have more talent than Dustin Boyd, Radulov especially. Just look at what Radulov did when he was called up. He looked great and even in limited duty. He is more talented than Boyd as is Shremp. However, i completely agree with you that Shremp is overated. I would take Boyd anyday because I think he has a better chance of becoming a good NHLer because Shremp lacks work ethic/attitude that boyd clearly has.

I am a fan and supporter of Dustin Boyd as well as the Flames (have been since the day they moved from Atlanta) and as such wish the Flames would have given him more of a chance than the 18 minutes he got.  Yoy think I am overly supportive and I think you do not give him nearly enough credit.  It will be interesting to see your position in 3 months, 6 months and a year from now.  Mine is very unlikely to change.  :)

I am also a big Boyd fan. I'm one of the few who wasn't suprised when he tore up training camp while most were looking for programs on who this guy was. I liked him when we drafted him and have ever since. I closely watch the dub and have had my eye on the guy for a while.

I don't think your overly supportive of Boyd, I just think your too harsh on how the Flames are treating him. I think Boyd is gonna be a good center in this game in a year or two. I think he'll be ready next year, but I do want to see him get some games this season, but limited games. They called him up to spark a fire and i think it helped. However, when a team was slumping like the Flames and he doesn't come in and tear if up its natural for them to send him down becuase they can't afford to give a kid an audition when the team was playing like it was. Later in the season when, hopefully, the Flames are in the playoffs I would love to see Boyd come up and get 17/18 mins and PP time with a set line to see what he has. I'm high on the guy I just don't see the need to rush him or even see what he has at the NHL level yet because the Flames are playing well.

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Cheif and cross have many valid points but Cross made the most valid of all. Spezza was not rushed and is a success. I disagree with Cheif where he indicates "perhaps he would have been even better sooner." That's not concrete enough to dismiss a great point brought up by Cross. The reality was they tried bringing spetz up a couple of times but he just wasn't ready.

Cross' point stands in my view... the Spezza situation was treated right and was a success. It's that simple.

FYI - Boyd is one of Sutter's untouchables.

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that you can say that Boyd is one of Sutters untouchables?  I can tell you that from where I sit I do not believe Darryl has many if any untouchables.  He loves his vets and he loves his guys, but I am not sure any are untouchable.

Sutter has publicly said that Phaneuf, Kiprusoff, Iginla, and Regehr are untouchable. (FAN960 interview)

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Ya, Dustin is my step-bro... and i have been watching him play since we were 8... every single year he has progressed and has become better and better each year. he is playing very well in omaha this year. hockey is his passion and there's no doubt in my mind he will have a very succesful nhl career in a few years. I think this time in the ahl will serve him well and he wont be as nervous when he gets back to the show.

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that you can say that Boyd is one of Sutters untouchables?  I can tell you that from where I sit I do not believe Darryl has many if any untouchables.  He loves his vets and he loves his guys, but I am not sure any are untouchable.

Sutter has publicly said that Phaneuf, Kiprusoff, Iginla, and Regehr are untouchable. (FAN960 interview)

Indeed he did. thanks Cody.

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Ya, Dustin is my step-bro... and i have been watching him play since we were 8... every single year he has progressed and has become better and better each year. he is playing very well in omaha this year. hockey is his passion and there's no doubt in my mind he will have a very succesful nhl career in a few years. I think this time in the ahl will serve him well and he wont be as nervous when he gets back to the show.

Way to support your bro, he's gonna look good between Iginla and Tanguay.

Last time Boyd came up he was subject to witnessing a losing streak, next time he comes up he'll be asked to do less and will end up giving more.

it's that simple

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Boyd will probably be with the flames by next year but I want them to send him up and see wat he can do. He could scoer some goals that we need right now.

We haven't really been needing that many goals lately, with the 9 game home winning streak and all. Losing on the road has not as much to do with not scoring than it does playing stupid. He's much better off in the farm this year.

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