3 shoot out situations:

[ThaLunatik]

it's a non-concern for several reasons... because the 2 we did lose were in extras shooters... because it was the preseason and we were trying different shooters (like Stralman) out... because 1 of the loses was to Luongo... because Kipper did well in both of his shootouts

[ALMACfan]

I agree Kipper did well in both. It does kind of bother me that we haven't found a good shootout lineup. Iggy ALWAYS has trouble, Jokinen isn't bad.. but i'd like to see more creative shooters in the mix. I wonder how much attention is paid to shootout situations in practices? It's obviously a very important aspect inthe game and sometimes i think it's overlooked.

[ThaLunatik]

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I agree Kipper did well in both. It does kind of bother me that we haven't found a good shootout lineup. Iggy ALWAYS has trouble, Jokinen isn't bad.. but i'd like to see more creative shooters in the mix. I wonder how much attention is paid to shootout situations in practices? It's obviously a very important aspect inthe game and sometimes i think it's overlooked.

people need to shut the %@#% up and look into things before they talk... Iginla hasn't always had trouble in the shootout... he was 3 for 5 in 07/08 and 3 for 4 in 06/07... and a shootout isn't that important... if you lose its a tie

[Keys]

... times like this, I miss Juice. but who the hell signs a shootoutspecialist who was uninterested in our system. =[ so long, and thanks for all the Fish.

[ThaLunatik]

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... times like this, I miss Juice. but who the hell signs a shootoutspecialist who was uninterested in our system. =[ so long, and thanks for all the Fish.

this is what I don't get... in 06/07 and 07/08 (Huselius' 2 full seasons as a Flame) Iginla went 6 for 9 in the shootout (66.667%)... and Huselius went 5 for 10 (50.000%)... and yet people have this half brained misconception that Huselius is a shootout specialist and Iginla is no good at shootouts... flashy does not always mean better... Iginla is clutch... plain and simple

[The_People1]

As long as we don't have Stralman shooting, or any Dmen for that matter, i think we'll be fine.

[Demonous_Xodus]

Iginla, Dawes, Jokinen, Sjostrom, Boyd.

No one else should try for the first 5. Plain and simple.

[Keys]

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Keys']... times like this, I miss Juice. but who the hell signs a shootoutspecialist who was uninterested in our system. =[ so long, and thanks for all the Fish.

this is what I don't get... in 06/07 and 07/08 (Huselius' 2 full seasons as a Flame) Iginla went 6 for 9 in the shootout (66.667%)... and Huselius went 5 for 10 (50.000%)... and yet people have this half brained misconception that Huselius is a shootout specialist and Iginla is no good at shootouts... flashy does not always mean better... Iginla is clutch... plain and simple

It's not what the statistics are saying, it's what I am saying.

although creativity does not always work, it is better than the wrist shot that Iggy always uses. as a result, any goaltender knows exactly what he will do. If the difference is only one shot, then I don't mind,   Especially if that creative deke confuses the opposition.

[hummelj]

Long story short. All our goalies did well in the shoot out, and Olli said it him self; players use the pre-season to try different things. No cause for concern.

[ThaLunatik]

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ThaLunatik wrote:

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Keys']... times like this, I miss Juice. but who the hell signs a shootoutspecialist who was uninterested in our system. =[ so long, and thanks for all the Fish.

this is what I don't get... in 06/07 and 07/08 (Huselius' 2 full seasons as a Flame) Iginla went 6 for 9 in the shootout (66.667%)... and Huselius went 5 for 10 (50.000%)... and yet people have this half brained misconception that Huselius is a shootout specialist and Iginla is no good at shootouts... flashy does not always mean better... Iginla is clutch... plain and simple

It's not what the statistics are saying, it's what I am saying.

although creativity does not always work, it is better than the wrist shot that Iggy always uses. as a result, any goaltender knows exactly what he will do. If the difference is only one shot, then I don't mind,   Especially if that creative deke confuses the opposition.

what matters is results.... who gives a !%!# if some meatball feels teh need to be a showboat?... it sure didn't help him in the end

[amstervan]

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Keys wrote:

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ThaLunatik wrote:

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Keys']... times like this, I miss Juice. but who the hell signs a shootoutspecialist who was uninterested in our system. =[ so long, and thanks for all the Fish.

this is what I don't get... in 06/07 and 07/08 (Huselius' 2 full seasons as a Flame) Iginla went 6 for 9 in the shootout (66.667%)... and Huselius went 5 for 10 (50.000%)... and yet people have this half brained misconception that Huselius is a shootout specialist and Iginla is no good at shootouts... flashy does not always mean better... Iginla is clutch... plain and simple

It's not what the statistics are saying, it's what I am saying.

although creativity does not always work, it is better than the wrist shot that Iggy always uses. as a result, any goaltender knows exactly what he will do. If the difference is only one shot, then I don't mind,   Especially if that creative deke confuses the opposition.

what matters is results.... who gives a !%!# if some meatball feels teh need to be a showboat?... it sure didn't help him in the end

All that matters is 'puck in net' not how it got there...... if it did, Rob Schremp would be in the NHL, but he's not..... AGAIN!!!!

[Baalzamon]

it's a non-concern for several reasons... because the 2 we did lose were in extras shooters... because it was the preseason and we were trying different shooters (like Stralman) out... because 1 of the loses was to Luongo... because Kipper did well in both of his shootouts

Kipper only played in one shootout.  The second one against Vancouver.  The one against New York was Shantz, and the first Vancouver one was McElhinney.

But you're right, there's no cause for concern.

  

[Baalzamon]

My main problem with the second shootout against Vancouver was that Sutter used both Iginla and Moss--but then, it was the preseason.

Why hasn't anyone ever given Glencross a shot?  I daresay he would have done better than Moss did (though that really wasn't his fault, I know)

That was one of the weirdest shootouts I had ever seen.  One player lost control, two used slappers, one stick exploded, and almost every shooter just wound up and fired a wrister at the keeper (all the flames but Stralman and Jokinen did this).

It's true that Iginla has had success in the shootout--largely due to his devastating wrist shot--but it's also true that he has struggled recently, likely because that's all he ever does.  One of these days I'd like to see him fake a shot, then pull it on to his backhand.  Even if he doesn't score, It'll get the keepers less confident that they will know what he's going to do.

With Huselius, he was only good in his last season here, where he scored on 4 consecutive shots.  Before that, he was fairly average.

Bertuzzi is the only true shootout player we have ever had (though Kiprusoff has definately improved over the last couple seasons, and Iginla with the exception of last year)

I would like to see Boyd and Glencross given a chance (or one of the two, it the other spots are filled).  Sjostrom might not be bad either.

Dawes, Iginla, Boyd, Jokinen, Glencross in no particular order.

[Conroy24Regehr28]

I would like to see Nystrom get a chance one of these days in the shoot-out. I dont know why but it always seems like when he gets a breakaway he knows what to do with it.

[1989]

ThaLunatik wrote:

what matters is results.... who gives a !%!# if some meatball feels teh need to be a showboat?... it sure didn't help him in the end

Ok, while I don't disagree with you, I'm going to go ahead and say that the way you are arguing your point makes it seem like you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about, even though you may have some good points. Any time someone uses your style of speaking, posting in this case, I guess, people tend to think that the person is arguing just for the sake of arguing because they are moody. So if you want to get your point across, because right now you are not, try to explain yourself without being all PSYCHO RAGE #$%^#!!!!!!!!!!

[heavytbf]

Actually they don't....that's why the forum exists, so that people like you can do it for us.....some of us are busy doing things......like having jobs. And I agree that we should be trying out different combinations of shooters, but let's be realistic, we haven't got a ton of Europeans on our team. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like they're sort of skilled a little more in the ways of the shootout, if not, slightly more than the average Canadian players. I'm sure Lunatik will freak out about that comment. At least it's a truthful handle buddy.

[flamesfan0705]

Iginla, to me is super predictable. He never dekes! he could at least try and fool the goalie to think that hes deking and then shoot. Instead of just skate up and shoot right at him.

[ThaLunatik]

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what matters is results.... who gives a !%!# if some meatball feels teh need to be a showboat?... it sure didn't help him in the end

Ok, while I don't disagree with you, I'm going to go ahead and say that the way you are arguing your point makes it seem like you have very little knowledge of what you are talking about, even though you may have some good points. Any time someone uses your style of speaking, posting in this case, I guess, people tend to think that the person is arguing just for the sake of arguing because they are moody. So if you want to get your point across, because right now you are not, try to explain yourself without being all PSYCHO RAGE #$%^#!!!!!!!!!!

I argued my point with facts and numbers showing that Iginla was more effective in the shootout than Huselius... and he dismissed it based on his opinion that creativity is more important than results... you don't need to be as creative when you are successful...

and if you think that was 'psycho rage' then you should go change your tampon because your emotions are running a little high

[ThaLunatik]

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Actually they don't....that's why the forum exists, so that people like you can do it for us.....some of us are busy doing things......like having jobs. And I agree that we should be trying out different combinations of shooters, but let's be realistic, we haven't got a ton of Europeans on our team. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like they're sort of skilled a little more in the ways of the shootout, if not, slightly more than the average Canadian players. I'm sure Lunatik will freak out about that comment. At least it's a truthful handle buddy.

I am assuming this is directed at me since you named me in your post... and I have a job and friends and a life... and I still find the 30 seconds to look something up before putting out information that is clearly wrong... more so I actually watched the games and remember the success the Flames had in the shootouts... they were really bad for 1 year in teh shootout and it brainwashed so many people into not noticing how much they improved

and why would I freak out about you thinking euro players are more skilled in the shootout... its probably true... bu the arguement I was having was Huselius/Iginla... and in that case the good ol' Canadian boy was clearly better when they were both members of the Flames despite not being as creative

[denny_calgary]

Once again two guys acting like children on here. Be real Flames fans and discuss these topics with some respect and sensibility. I like reading and seeing the ideas of good hockey fans on this site, just too bad space is filled up with grown men acting like they are in a hair salon.

As for Iggy on the shoot out, did anyone follow that last two years and Iggy's results? Try atleast one shootout without Iggy, give it a try, he really hasn't been good in them and it will get him pumped to get out there and be the superstar he is and has been in regular time on the ice.

Just my opinion.

[hurtin_albertan]

Personally, I don't think Iginla is as bad in the shootout as some of you are making him out to be.

When the concept was first introduced to the NHL, Iginla didn't have a whole lot of success because of what some of you are suggesting he try to do - deak out the goaltender. That's not his game, and that's why he struggled to score in his first "bunch" of shootout opportunities. (Forgive me I don't have figures here, I'm going off memory.) Once Iginla started to simplify his shootout approach and playing to the strengths of his scoring game - ie. unleashing an accurate and overpowering shot - he started to see a lot more success, as evidenced by the numbers Lunatik provided above. (~50% 2006-2008). That's how he scores goals in game situations and that's how he should attempt to score in the shootout. He's not a flashy dangling/deaking type of player, plain and simple; he's a power forward with a snipe of a shot. It doesn't make any sense for him to get away from what has made him so successful in the NHL and try to adopt a whole new skill set that he just doesn't have the tools for.

Who cares if it's predictable? With a guy who can shoot like Iginla there's not much advantage to the goalie who expects him to try a shot. Just ask the guys whom he's beaten already with his 409 career goals.

[ThaLunatik]

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Once again two guys acting like children on here. Be real Flames fans and discuss these topics with some respect and sensibility. I like reading and seeing the ideas of good hockey fans on this site, just too bad space is filled up with grown men acting like they are in a hair salon.

As for Iggy on the shoot out, did anyone follow that last two years and Iggy's results? Try atleast one shootout without Iggy, give it a try, he really hasn't been good in them and it will get him pumped to get out there and be the superstar he is and has been in regular time on the ice.

Just my opinion.

what does maturity have to do with being a real fan? You can think someone is a moron and still be a real fan

[Hiphopopotamus]

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ALMACfan']I agree Kipper did well in both. It does kind of bother me that we haven't found a good shootout lineup. Iggy ALWAYS has trouble, Jokinen isn't bad.. but i'd like to see more creative shooters in the mix. I wonder how much attention is paid to shootout situations in practices? It's obviously a very important aspect inthe game and sometimes i think it's overlooked.

people need to shut the %@#% up and look into things before they talk... Iginla hasn't always had trouble in the shootout... he was 3 for 5 in 07/08 and 3 for 4 in 06/07... and a shootout isn't that important... if you lose its a tie

Do you know what he was in 08/09? I could care less how he did two years ago, we need him to start putting the puck in the net again right now.

He is about 0 for his last 6 attempts I believe(I didn't bother looking it up, prove me wrong by all means) there is a reason he doesn't score anymore and that is because he has become way too predictable.  By all means continue to get all rage'd on an online forum because somebody questioned Iginla's shootout abilities, but when it's been over a year since he scored a shootout goal there is an issue.

[hurtin_albertan]

Ok, here are Iginla's shootout stats:

2005/06 - 1/9 (11.1%)

2006/07 - 3/4 (75.0%)

2007/08 - 3/5 (60%)

2008/09 - 0/5 (0.0%)

Career - 7/23 (30.4%)

That's right around the likes of Alex Ovechkin, Patrick Marleau, Sam Gagner (deaking whiz), Ryan Smyth, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Andy McDonald. Even the amazing Todd Bertuzzi, the super dangling shootout specialist himself, has a lower shooting percentage in the shootout than the hands of stone, uncreative, predictable, show me what you've done lately, Jarome Iginla. While I'm at it, here's a few guys who have even lower success rates than Iginla, if you can imagine that: Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin St. Louis, Mike Cammalleri, Tomas Vanek, Dany Heatley, and yes, Mr. Art Ross himself, Evgeni Malkin. AND I'd put money on Iggy's numbers being much better if, when the concept was brand new in 2005/06, he didn't think he had to deak the goalie out in order to score, and went with what makes him a great scorer in the first place, taking a shot. He probably would've scored an easy 2, 3, 4 more.

First point, it takes but 5 minutes to look up these stats and realize that "wait a minute, he's not all that bad at this, my argument is lacking".

Second point, there's just not that many guys around who are naturally excellent at this. If Iginla's going to come in on goal, unleash a shot that's made him one of the best pure scorers in the game, and score around 25% of the time, I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're not, you're either unrealistic, unfair, or just plain clueless.

[Hiphopopotamus]

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Ok, here are Iginla's shootout stats:

2005/06 - 1/9 (11.1%)

2006/07 - 3/4 (75.0%)

2007/08 - 3/5 (60%)

2008/09 - 0/5 (0.0%)

Career - 7/23 (30.4%)

That's right around the likes of Alex Ovechkin, Patrick Marleau, Sam Gagner (deaking whiz), Ryan Smyth, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Andy McDonald. Even the amazing Todd Bertuzzi, the super dangling shootout specialist himself, has a lower shooting percentage in the shootout than the hands of stone, uncreative, predictable, show me what you've done lately, Jarome Iginla. While I'm at it, here's a few guys who have even lower success rates than Iginla, if you can imagine that: Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin St. Louis, Mike Cammalleri, Tomas Vanek, Dany Heatley, and yes, Mr. Art Ross himself, Evgeni Malkin. AND I'd put money on Iggy's numbers being much better if, when the concept was brand new in 2005/06, he didn't think he had to deak the goalie out in order to score, and went with what makes him a great scorer in the first place, taking a shot. He probably would've scored an easy 2, 3, 4 more.

First point, it takes but 5 minutes to look up these stats and realize that "wait a minute, he's not all that bad at this, my argument is lacking".

Second point, there's just not that many guys around who are naturally excellent at this. If Iginla's going to come in on goal, unleash a shot that's made him one of the best pure scorers in the game, and score around 25% of the time, I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're not, you're either unrealistic, unfair, or just plain clueless.

Once again you guys are using stats from three years ago as an example as to why he is still good at them today, he hasn't scored a shootout goal in a very long time. Cheechoo put up 50 goals a few years ago, that doesn't make him an elite scoring winger today.

I would love to be wrong on this and see Iginla score at a 30%+ rate this year, but given the way the last year has gone I really don't see it happening.