sak22 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 6 minutes ago, JTech780 said: Knight would be a high upside gamble type return. The biggest issue I would have with him, is I don’t think you can go with Knight and Wolf in the NHL next year. I will say I am not 100% sold on Wolf’s ability at the NHL level, I am not saying he can’t do it, just that the games I have seen him in he looks not just small in the net he looks tiny.  The problem with a Hanifin trade is trying to shoehorn him into teams that he is willing to re-sign with. Those teams either have no cap space and/or no picks or prospects.  He also has a an 8 team no trade list, I am assuming that he has submitted that already, and I am assuming that 6 of those teams are the other Canadian teams. I think if your a pending UFA and leaving Canada anyway I don't see the issue with going for a short term to a contending team or ones with the high offensive talents of Edmonton or Toronto, if I were an agent there is no way I'd tell me client to block those two teams in a contract year and leave a couple of Anaheim, San Jose, Chicago, or Columbus open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, The_People1 said:  Yes. FLA can definitely afford to trade Knight right now. He's taking up cap space and not even on the team. Plus, he's not going to outplay Bobrovsky for the next two years.  Lundell is an integral part of FLA's bottom 6 right now. He's not an expendable piece.  The Flames needs to time this trade right though. If we get Knight before we trade Markstrom then that's going to make it awkward for Markstrom (as if it isn't already).  How instrumental was Lundell last year? 2g and 12g all last season and playoffs including 21 playoff games. Future yes, not exactly killing it this year. Projected total of 12 goals and 37 points. Hanifin is already at 11g. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 3 minutes ago, travel_dude said:  Unless you move Vladar, what does it say to Markstrom? $4.5M sitting in the A, you have a prospect, plus you have Vladar signed. $12M tied up in goalies for longer than this year, not including Wolf.  I think Vladar is gone either way.. either to make way for Wolf or whoever .. but right now you got very little behind Wolf Markstrom has 2 years left ..as does Knight..Wolf isn't going anywhere unless he plays himself out of contention.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Ok that convo can end now ..lol     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 35 minutes ago, travel_dude said:  How instrumental was Lundell last year? 2g and 12g all last season and playoffs including 21 playoff games. Future yes, not exactly killing it this year. Projected total of 12 goals and 37 points. Hanifin is already at 11g. played on the top line at multiple times during the playoffs if they needed a mixup or had injuries.  Right now, view Lundell as like Backlund before he found his role. His value isn’t showing up in points right now but it’s there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, phoenix66 said: So true ..I've said for a long time they should reinstate compensatory picks for UFA, much like the NFL still has. Lose a player for nothing you get a pick based on the contract they signed . That would alleviate a lot of issues. Absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 8 minutes ago, cross16 said: played on the top line at multiple times during the playoffs if they needed a mixup or had injuries.  Right now, view Lundell as like Backlund before he found his role. His value isn’t showing up in points right now but it’s there. Well if like Backlund, eventually we need to replace Backlund so….Lundell makes a lot of sense for Cgy…but still needs 1st, would a 2026 be worth waiting on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 1 minute ago, MP5029 said: Well if like Backlund, eventually we need to replace Backlund so….Lundell makes a lot of sense for Cgy…but still needs 1st, would a 2026 be worth waiting on? I'd be Interested in the 2026 first from both Florida teams ...window is closing .. cupboards are bare ..they could be lottery teams ... But only if we get the picks unprotected (not likely.. but that's the only way we should accept them IMO ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, MP5029 said: Well if like Backlund, eventually we need to replace Backlund so….Lundell makes a lot of sense for Cgy…but still needs 1st, would a 2026 be worth waiting on? Lundell makes a ton of sense for Calgary for the same reasons Florida likely isn’t going to trade him.  I have no issues waiting on first round picks. I think there is potential to get better value by acquiring picks in the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, cross16 said: played on the top line at multiple times during the playoffs if they needed a mixup or had injuries.  Right now, view Lundell as like Backlund before he found his role. His value isn’t showing up in points right now but it’s there.  49 minutes ago, cross16 said: Lundell makes a ton of sense for Calgary for the same reasons Florida likely isn’t going to trade him.  I have no issues waiting on first round picks. I think there is potential to get better value by acquiring picks in the future  I don't disagree, just that sometimes you need to make moves that hurt to help. Their pick situation and cap suggests they are in win now mode, but that's debateable. Next year is gonna be tough cap wise. Neither FLA team really has enough to bid for him in FA. FLA might be able to get him to sign for 8x6.5 considering the tax situation. Lundell may not be in for a big raise but others are. Do you let Montour walk, considering he is the top scoring D? Ekblad can't seem to play a full season.  Anyway, not saying FLA makes that trade, just that it would give them a better D. And one that might be deep enough for a long playoff run.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 For what it's worth, Eklund has NJ going hard for both Hanifin and Markstrom. That would be a very tough deal to swing. I can't even really guess what a return would look like. But I will try.   Mercer, Holtz, Bahl and a 1st? Maybe they toss in Vanacek so next year isn't so expensive? I would break it down to be Markstrom for 1st + Holtz, Bahl. Hanifin for Mercer and Vanacek?  The multi-player deals are so hard to work out value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cross16 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 It amazes me that Eklund is still in business. Guy is literally never right and people pay for his stuff  blows my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, cross16 said: It amazes me that Eklund is still in business. Guy is literally never right and people pay for his stuff  blows my mind  He's a fun read when it's cold outside. When he gets it right it's because he has read a trusted insider. Or is reporting a trade after someone breaks it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 24 minutes ago, travel_dude said: For what it's worth, Eklund has NJ going hard for both Hanifin and Markstrom. That would be a very tough deal to swing. I can't even really guess what a return would look like. But I will try.   Mercer, Holtz, Bahl and a 1st? Maybe they toss in Vanacek so next year isn't so expensive? I would break it down to be Markstrom for 1st + Holtz, Bahl. Hanifin for Mercer and Vanacek?  The multi-player deals are so hard to work out value. Never say never ..but I think it would be really hard for Calgary to return to the Markstrom talks before summer ..after all the back and forth and bad looks...but hey if the offer is too good to torn down gotta do what they have to  16 minutes ago, cross16 said: It amazes me that Eklund is still in business. Guy is literally never right and people pay for his stuff  blows my mind It's like the National Enquirer.. everybody knows it's gossip trash but it makes for good reading lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Never say never ..but I think it would be really hard for Calgary to return to the Markstrom talks before summer ..after all the back and forth and bad looks...but hey if the offer is too good to torn down gotta do what they have to  It's like the National Enquirer.. everybody knows it's gossip trash but it makes for good reading lol  Oh contrare, it's exactly why they return to negotiations. If Marky is PO'd then you need to deal him if the offer is there. I lean towrads individual deals as opposed to two top assets in one. From a player chemistry perspective, it makes sense, but from a value one it's very hard to construct. One sides usually loses big time. We haven't been the side that wins in multi player deals. The original Lindholm/Hanifin trade was good in some respects but seems to have been the only offer. We lost Fox as part of the deal and we gave up clearly the best asset in Dougie. Not that we would sign Fox, just that we had to include his rights and not deal by itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebrewcrew Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Another 4 on 14 for Nico Daws.  The Devils have gotten horrendous goaltending and it’s cratered their season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, travel_dude said:  Oh contrare, it's exactly why they return to negotiations. If Marky is PO'd then you need to deal him if the offer is there. I lean towrads individual deals as opposed to two top assets in one. From a player chemistry perspective, it makes sense, but from a value one it's very hard to construct. One sides usually loses big time. We haven't been the side that wins in multi player deals. The original Lindholm/Hanifin trade was good in some respects but seems to have been the only offer. We lost Fox as part of the deal and we gave up clearly the best asset in Dougie. Not that we would sign Fox, just that we had to include his rights and not deal by itself. Actually. Forget who exactly.. the coach at the time I think.. made the comment" I went to bed the night before , thinking we were sending Dougie to St Louis" .. so there definitely was offers..  Also.. NJ is in the same spot we are now.. very minimal shot at playoffs ..they've dropped too far .. plus I'm seeing reports they're shopping Toffoli now .. Vancouver very interested.. so they're all but accepting this season is done.. more reason to wait for summer..get more than one team bidding and up the price  If your concern is about him ruining our draft picks.. just think we have one game (I think they'd be silly to play him Thursday against Tampa) of Hanfin left... And that starts an evil gauntlet of a road trip that should all but finish us off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 3 Author Report Share Posted March 3 54 minutes ago, phoenix66 said: Actually. Forget who exactly.. the coach at the time I think.. made the comment" I went to bed the night before , thinking we were sending Dougie to St Louis" .. so there definitely was offers..  Also.. NJ is in the same spot we are now.. very minimal shot at playoffs ..they've dropped too far .. plus I'm seeing reports they're shopping Toffoli now .. Vancouver very interested.. so they're all but accepting this season is done.. more reason to wait for summer..get more than one team bidding and up the price  If your concern is about him ruining our draft picks.. just think we have one game (I think they'd be silly to play him Thursday against Tampa) of Hanfin left... And that starts an evil gauntlet of a road trip that should all but finish us off  So think about it this way. NJ needs to improve their G. Can't afford to ruin another season with iffy at best goaltending. In the summer there are teams that can make an offer. They will have clarity on their needs either coming out of the playoffs or missing them. They can go over the cap while they are still dealing. We could still retain salary providing a cushion. Meanwhile this year was cooked with a slim chance of making the playoffs and a GM on the hotseat for not fixing the problem.  Flames coming off a run of 5 wins in a row, mostly thanks to the stellar play of Markstrom and the team getting behind him. We are 7 back of LA. NJ has more teams to vault to get in, but also only has to catch Philly to avoid the WC. They are 7 back of Philly with a game in hand. Not good odds, but they haven't been any better than 500 over the last 10. Neither have the teams they are fighting in the division.  I don't have much belief that NJ would trade for D. Goaltending is a must sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 33 minutes ago, travel_dude said:  So think about it this way. NJ needs to improve their G. Can't afford to ruin another season with iffy at best goaltending. In the summer there are teams that can make an offer. They will have clarity on their needs either coming out of the playoffs or missing them. They can go over the cap while they are still dealing. We could still retain salary providing a cushion. Meanwhile this year was cooked with a slim chance of making the playoffs and a GM on the hotseat for not fixing the problem.  Flames coming off a run of 5 wins in a row, mostly thanks to the stellar play of Markstrom and the team getting behind him. We are 7 back of LA. NJ has more teams to vault to get in, but also only has to catch Philly to avoid the WC. They are 7 back of Philly with a game in hand. Not good odds, but they haven't been any better than 500 over the last 10. Neither have the teams they are fighting in the division.  I don't have much belief that NJ would trade for D. Goaltending is a must sooner than later. Except .. Flames are not going to throw in the towel..until the race is over..people can hope but need to accept that ain't happening (again.. an offer we can't refuse aside )  Last night was a big lesson on how times have changed. We honerrd a guy who gave us 9 seasons of excellence . By the last couple seasons, we were hot garbage .nobody was clamoring to push him out of town.. upset that he kept us out of the cellar...  We would have understood if he has asked out .. but he never did .. In fact he vetoed a trade that would have given him a chance at a cup that year .. people were actually upset that the trade would have even been made , while at the same time understanding it was a good thing for him..it was more important to him to never wear a different jersey..  Here we have a guy that . Ok BIG longshot .. is attempting to do the same thing ..and fans are upset .. want him gone ..  Anybody else notice the big shot Noodles took at those fans last night ? It was subtle but it was there .. saying how lucky some fans were to see us go from Vernon.. to Kipper ..and "now that guy right over there ..Jacob Markstrom" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5029 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, phoenix66 said: I'd be Interested in the 2026 first from both Florida teams ...window is closing .. cupboards are bare ..they could be lottery teams ... But only if we get the picks unprotected (not likely.. but that's the only way we should accept them IMO ) And for the same reasons they won’t trade him are the same reasons they won’t get Hanifin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travel_dude Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 If the GM, getting ready to trade a pending UFA (hanifin) and has to either re-sign Kylington or trade him, hasn't admitted to himself that the season is done, then he has a problem. Before 5 game winning streak, 5 points out. After 5 game winning streak 7 points out. 7-3 probably our best 10 game set. Need 15 wins in 22 games or equivalent to have a real shot at the playoff cutoff.   I doesn't matter how much the team is bought in. They ignore everything else and look to win every game.   We gave up the dream of having a contender every year when we let go of our two actual stars. A goalie that has one or two really good years left is not Kipper. He's 34. We got Kipper when he was like 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, travel_dude said: If the GM, getting ready to trade a pending UFA (hanifin) and has to either re-sign Kylington or trade him, hasn't admitted to himself that the season is done, then he has a problem. Before 5 game winning streak, 5 points out. After 5 game winning streak 7 points out. 7-3 probably our best 10 game set. Need 15 wins in 22 games or equivalent to have a real shot at the playoff cutoff.   I doesn't matter how much the team is bought in. They ignore everything else and look to win every game.   We gave up the dream of having a contender every year when we let go of our two actual stars. A goalie that has one or two really good years left is not Kipper. He's 34. We got Kipper when he was like 27. I've said this many times before ..never quit..it's a mindset .. the players understand, the ones that left . Had to leave .. they left Conroy with no choice ..if anything they probabaly have a chip on their shoulders against those players .. they know they had a choice to stay, and chose to leave .. Playing to win and refusing to lose are 2 different things Quitting before the race is over is not a habit you want to instill in your team if you want a winning team .. And for what ? A higher lottery ticket in a d draft thats being projected after the top 10 or so a first is as good as a second? And no I'm not saying hes kipper .. I'm saying players like him and kardri etc right now are teaching these kids what it takes when they do get to that level  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix66 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I don't think goaltending will save the Devils anyway 😂     1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 12 hours ago, cross16 said: I presume you mean Hanifin. Markstrom isn’t going to Florida.  Can set your price all you want but as a pending UFa market will dictate the return and not the flames, unless they are cool with him walking for nothing. That’s the game I’m referring to. How much is Hanifin worth to Florida if they feel they will get him for free in the offseason? What’s he worth if his agents are making it known he won’t sign in other places and thus forcing those teams to lower their offers?  Great work from his agent if he is pushing him a direction that will get him less money....  He wouldn't be my agent positioning me to get the least amount of offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDeeds Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, phoenix66 said: Except .. Flames are not going to throw in the towel..until the race is over..people can hope but need to accept that ain't happening (again.. an offer we can't refuse aside )  Last night was a big lesson on how times have changed. We honerrd a guy who gave us 9 seasons of excellence . By the last couple seasons, we were hot garbage .nobody was clamoring to push him out of town.. upset that he kept us out of the cellar...  We would have understood if he has asked out .. but he never did .. In fact he vetoed a trade that would have given him a chance at a cup that year .. people were actually upset that the trade would have even been made , while at the same time understanding it was a good thing for him..it was more important to him to never wear a different jersey..  Here we have a guy that . Ok BIG longshot .. is attempting to do the same thing ..and fans are upset .. want him gone ..  Anybody else notice the big shot Noodles took at those fans last night ? It was subtle but it was there .. saying how lucky some fans were to see us go from Vernon.. to Kipper ..and "now that guy right over there ..Jacob Markstrom" Add to that.....  How many Goalies did we go through after Kipper? Just trying to find one that would work... Almost as big a search as trying to find Iggy a center he could play with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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