Bill Peters - 17th Flames Coach

[conundrumed]

3 minutes ago, JTech780 said:

 

I am not sure how anyone can be fine with the team retaining Peters after all of the allegations have come out and been corroborated. 

 

Quite honestly the things Peters has said and done has no place on the team I have cheered for my entire life, and if he is kept around, there has to be compelling evidence that he didn't do the things being said. I just don't think that evidence exists. So if he is on the bench tomorrow, I may have to rethink my support for this management and quite possibly the team as a whole.

 

I think there is zero chance of Peters coaching in Calgary and I 100% support that decision.

Imagine going to Nashville with their crowds colourful chants?

I can already hear, "Beat the Racists".

[phoenix66]

1 minute ago, cross16 said:

 

yup.. i believe they would like to terminate the contract rather than just fire him..

[The_People1]

40 minutes ago, tmac70 said:

So Peters made comments to the lyrics of some music now he is a racist. 

 

I know what you're saying and if that's all that happened, then yes. 

 

However, he allegedly used a racial slur to refer to the people who make/listen to that genre of music.  And, referred to the genre as music as N-word.

[ABC923]

I don't really get this 'reference to lyrics' defense.  It's possible, but I have frequently heard rap music generically called N-word music.  Not for a while, but in the 90s and even early 2000s.  It usually didn't have much to do with the lyrics, but mostly referenced that (at the time) rap, hip hop and R&B were primarily created, performed and consumed by black people.  Things have changed a lot, these music styles are appreciated by a wider audience now, but it was originally branded as black-people music, which to me is why calling it N-word music is problematic.  He should also have been aware that the person he was speaking to was black, and how coming from a white person in a position of authority over you would be perceived.  It was 2009, it's not like people were not aware of the racial connotations of the word.

[conundrumed]

2 minutes ago, The_People1 said:

 

I know what you're saying and if that's all that happened, then yes. 

 

However, he allegedly used a racial slur to refer to the people who make/listen to that genre of music.  And, referred to the genre as music as N-word.

He said it to a black player, so there really isn't an argument. Particularly on the sodomizing each other part.

He should have just dug the cool, jazzy backbeat, lol.

Akim should say which song it was. j/k

[conundrumed]

1 minute ago, ABC923 said:

I don't really get this 'reference to lyrics' defense.  It's possible, but I have frequently heard rap music generically called N-word music.  Not for a while, but in the 90s and even early 2000s.  It usually didn't have much to do with the lyrics, but mostly referenced that (at the time) rap, hip hop and R&B were primarily created, performed and consumed by black people.  Things have changed a lot, these music styles are appreciated by a wider audience now, but it was originally branded as black-people music, which to me is why calling it N-word music is problematic.  He should also have been aware that the person he was speaking to was black, and how coming from a white person in a position of authority over you would be perceived.  It was 2009, it's not like people were not aware of the racial connotations of the word.

And jazz. And blues. What's funny is that if not for these forms of music, the US would have negative music culture. Elvis and Country. lol

[jjgallow]

 

Do the Flames have a cap limit on lawyers?

[rickross]

Oh man what an unforeseen year already in Calgary,Lucic/Neal trade, slow start to the season, Brodie passing out and now Peters on the verge of being fired due to racist/abusive behaviour? If it’s true, and sadly it appears to have already been corroborated by multiple sources then eff Bill Peters. On to the next. Never believed him to be THE coach for this team anyhow. Now it’s about taking all this recent adversity, finding the right voice for this team and finally turn this team into a true contender. 

[The_People1]

6 minutes ago, ABC923 said:

I don't really get this 'reference to lyrics' defense.  It's possible, but I have frequently heard rap music generically called N-word music.  Not for a while, but in the 90s and even early 2000s.  It usually didn't have much to do with the lyrics, but mostly referenced that (at the time) rap, hip hop and R&B were primarily created, performed and consumed by black people.  Things have changed a lot, these music styles are appreciated by a wider audience now, but it was originally branded as black-people music, which to me is why calling it N-word music is problematic.  He should also have been aware that the person he was speaking to was black, and how coming from a white person in a position of authority over you would be perceived.  It was 2009, it's not like people were not aware of the racial connotations of the word.

 

6 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

He said it to a black player, so there really isn't an argument. Particularly on the sodomizing each other part.

He should have just dug the cool, jazzy backbeat, lol.

Akim should say which song it was. j/k

 

Yups.

 

If Peters said he doesn't like hearing gangster rap or doesn't like hearing music about people killing people, then sure.  No problem.  But to say he doesn't like N-word music to a black person listening to it, then that's not the same thing as criticizing lyrics.

[travel_dude]

6 minutes ago, conundrumed said:

And jazz. And blues. What's funny is that if not for these forms of music, the US would have negative music culture. Elvis and Country. lol

 

Tecnically, wouldn't Elvis and Country not exist too?

12 bar blues is where Elvis' music started from.

Same for country, no?

[travel_dude]

1 minute ago, rickross said:

Oh man what an unforeseen year already in Calgary,Lucic/Neal trade, slow start to the season, Brodie passing out and now Peters on the verge of being fired due to racist/abusive behaviour? If it’s true, and sadly it appears to have already been corroborated by multiple sources then eff Bill Peters. On to the next. Never believed him to be THE coach for this team anyhow. Now it’s about taking all this recent adversity, finding the right voice for this team and finally turn this team into a true contender. 

 

Wideman.

Gully stick throwing.

Brodie collapse.

BP.

 

If it wasn't for negative press, we would have none.

[rickross]

1 minute ago, travel_dude said:

 

Tecnically, wouldn't Elvis and Country not exist too?

12 bar blues is where Elvis' music started from.

Same for country, no?

Same for country 100%. 

 

Back to Peters...so who do we turn to next? Dare I say Babcock??

[phoenix66]

2 minutes ago, rickross said:

Same for country 100%. 

 

Back to Peters...so who do we turn to next? Dare I say Babcock??

Dont even go there //. he started this mess..

hand it to Ward and let it play out .. hes a good coach too 

[cross16]

2 minutes ago, rickross said:

 

 

Back to Peters...so who do we turn to next? Dare I say Babcock??

 

so let go one coach and then hire the one who's firing has started this movement of players speaking about poor treatment?

 

Would lead to a pretty smooth PR job i'm sure....

[JTech780]

Just now, rickross said:

Same for country 100%. 

 

Back to Peters...so who do we turn to next? Dare I say Babcock??

 

After everything that is coming out about Babcock, absolutely not. Even before that I would have said no. 

 

Not even sure how that would work.

 

Treliving: " We have hired Mike Babcock as our next head coach."

 

Everyone Else: "Ugh, that guy is terrible"

 

Treliving: "At least he isn't Peters?..."

 

Everyone Else: "I guess...."

 

I think Cross nailed earlier, who ever comes in next will have the interim label attached to them. 

 

They will do an exhaustive search in the offseason for the next coach, leaving no stone unturned. 

[cccsberg]

3 minutes ago, rickross said:

Same for country 100%. 

 

Back to Peters...so who do we turn to next? Dare I say Babcock??

Assuming BP done.  Also wonder if BT considers resigning?  In any case, think between Conroy, Nieuwendyck and Iginla they could go in a totally different direction.... kind of like what Carolina did.  Interesting next week.

[rickross]

3 minutes ago, cross16 said:

 

so let go one coach and then hire the one who's firing has started this movement of players speaking about poor treatment?

 

Would lead to a pretty smooth PR job i'm sure....

BT would be next to get fired if Babcock is hired here. I’m not sure what options are currently available, a ton of great coaches signed this past off season. Gully was a bit off the board at the time but it’s looking like we may need to go in a completely different direction if BP gone by this week 

[CalgarySTL]

4 minutes ago, rickross said:

BT would be next to get fired if Babcock is hired here. I’m not sure what options are currently available, a ton of great coaches signed this past off season. Gully was a bit off the board at the time but it’s looking like we may need to go in a completely different direction if BP gone by this week 

I mentioned it earlier but, is Joel Quenville available? The team's he coached seemed to like playing for him

[rickross]

7 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

Assuming BP done.  Also wonder if BT considers resigning?  In any case, think between Conroy, Nieuwendyck and Iginla they could go in a totally different direction.... kind of like what Carolina did.  Interesting next week.

I can’t see BT resigning over this one, Hockey Canada, The Canes would hold just as much owness regarding the BP situation. I agree , think they have no choice but to go in a completely different direction. Don’t think Huska is ready just yet for HC duties if they go internal, I guess Ward inherits the job but his job as PP specialist hasnt really convinced me yet. 

[phoenix66]

Just now, CalgarySTL said:

I mentioned it earlier but, is Joel Quenville available? The team's he coached seemed to like playing for him

Nope.. FLA snagged him 

[cross16]

Just now, CalgarySTL said:

I mentioned it earlier but, is Joel Quenville available? The team's he coached seemed to like playing for him

 

No. Florida's Head Coach. 

[phoenix66]

10 minutes ago, cccsberg said:

Assuming BP done.  Also wonder if BT considers resigning?  In any case, think between Conroy, Nieuwendyck and Iginla they could go in a totally different direction.... kind of like what Carolina did.  Interesting next week.

no way BT resigns... 

[Horsman1]

7 minutes ago, rickross said:

BT would be next to get fired if Babcock is hired here. I’m not sure what options are currently available, a ton of great coaches signed this past off season. Gully was a bit off the board at the time but it’s looking like we may need to go in a completely different direction if BP gone by this week 

is peter's on the bench tonight?? I'm petting my vote to Conroy ans Ward coaching this team the rest of the year.. Peter's on leave till investigations are done

 

[travel_dude]

Just now, Horsman1 said:

is peter's on the bench tonight?? I'm petting my vote to Conroy ans Ward coaching this team the rest of the year.. Peter's on leave till investigations are done

 

 

They play tomorrow.

In Buffalo.

[cross16]

I don't think Treliving resigns but i'm sure King/Edwards and co will want an explanation from him. 

 

Reasonable to assume this incident was not known but what did Treliving know and what was the process in him digging into Peters past. Also how do they feel about 2 coaching hires now not working out?

 

I mean Brendan Shanan played in Detroit and would have had friends play with Babcock in Detroit and still hired him. I don't think it's fair to put much of this on Treliving and I don't think it warrants a dismissal but he'll be taken to task on it i'm sure.