hurtin_albertan Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: hurtin_albertan']Ok, here are Iginla's shootout stats: 2005/06 - 1/9 (11.1%) 2006/07 - 3/4 (75.0%) 2007/08 - 3/5 (60%) 2008/09 - 0/5 (0.0%) Career - 7/23 (30.4%) That's right around the likes of Alex Ovechkin, Patrick Marleau, Sam Gagner (deaking whiz), Ryan Smyth, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Andy McDonald. Even the amazing Todd Bertuzzi, the super dangling shootout specialist himself, has a lower shooting percentage in the shootout than the hands of stone, uncreative, predictable, show me what you've done lately, Jarome Iginla. While I'm at it, here's a few guys who have even lower success rates than Iginla, if you can imagine that: Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin St. Louis, Mike Cammalleri, Tomas Vanek, Dany Heatley, and yes, Mr. Art Ross himself, Evgeni Malkin. AND I'd put money on Iggy's numbers being much better if, when the concept was brand new in 2005/06, he didn't think he had to deak the goalie out in order to score, and went with what makes him a great scorer in the first place, taking a shot. He probably would've scored an easy 2, 3, 4 more. First point, it takes but 5 minutes to look up these stats and realize that "wait a minute, he's not all that bad at this, my argument is lacking". Second point, there's just not that many guys around who are naturally excellent at this. If Iginla's going to come in on goal, unleash a shot that's made him one of the best pure scorers in the game, and score around 25% of the time, I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're not, you're either unrealistic, unfair, or just plain clueless. Once again you guys are using stats from three years ago as an example as to why he is still good at them today, he hasn't scored a shootout goal in a very long time. Cheechoo put up 50 goals a few years ago, that doesn't make him an elite scoring winger today. I would love to be wrong on this and see Iginla score at a 30%+ rate this year, but given the way the last year has gone I really don't see it happening.Wrong, I'm using stats over the span of his career to show that over the long run, Iginla has had considerable success in the shootout and is in some pretty elite company in terms of other prolific scorers also having success in the shootout, so as not to be so short sited as to say that he's always had trouble in the shootout, or that other, more creative scorers should be given the nod over him. Take a look at the names he's done better than, it doesn't get any more creative than that in terms of scoring goals. I posted those stats less for your benefit and moreso for some of the crap being tossed around on the first page. I see your point regarding Iginla's recent lack of success, the fact is that he hasn't scored a shootout goal in his last 5 official attempts. That's fine, and we can go on and debate as to why he hasn't scored lately, or who might be a better option, etc. I was simply posting the facts to refute some of the BS claims that were being made earlier in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howie1984 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I am enjoying the debate over Iggy in this thread. I think he's let up the past few seasons. Especially last season. But the deeper argument in my topic is: With an elite defensive corps and an elite goal tender, why are we even getting into the shoot out situation? Is it our offense? Is offense going to be a concern, or was it just the pre-season and tonight will give us a better understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neufy_3 Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 [quote name='Hiphopopotamus wrote: hurtin_albertan']Ok, here are Iginla's shootout stats: 2005/06 - 1/9 (11.1%) 2006/07 - 3/4 (75.0%) 2007/08 - 3/5 (60%) 2008/09 - 0/5 (0.0%) Career - 7/23 (30.4%) That's right around the likes of Alex Ovechkin, Patrick Marleau, Sam Gagner (deaking whiz), Ryan Smyth, Vincent Lecavalier, Sidney Crosby, Patrice Bergeron, Nathan Horton, and Andy McDonald. Even the amazing Todd Bertuzzi, the super dangling shootout specialist himself, has a lower shooting percentage in the shootout than the hands of stone, uncreative, predictable, show me what you've done lately, Jarome Iginla. While I'm at it, here's a few guys who have even lower success rates than Iginla, if you can imagine that: Ilya Kovalchuk, Martin St. Louis, Mike Cammalleri, Tomas Vanek, Dany Heatley, and yes, Mr. Art Ross himself, Evgeni Malkin. AND I'd put money on Iggy's numbers being much better if, when the concept was brand new in 2005/06, he didn't think he had to deak the goalie out in order to score, and went with what makes him a great scorer in the first place, taking a shot. He probably would've scored an easy 2, 3, 4 more. First point, it takes but 5 minutes to look up these stats and realize that "wait a minute, he's not all that bad at this, my argument is lacking". Second point, there's just not that many guys around who are naturally excellent at this. If Iginla's going to come in on goal, unleash a shot that's made him one of the best pure scorers in the game, and score around 25% of the time, I'm perfectly fine with that. If you're not, you're either unrealistic, unfair, or just plain clueless. Once again you guys are using stats from three years ago as an example as to why he is still good at them today, he hasn't scored a shootout goal in a very long time. Cheechoo put up 50 goals a few years ago, that doesn't make him an elite scoring winger today. I would love to be wrong on this and see Iginla score at a 30%+ rate this year, but given the way the last year has gone I really don't see it happening.Well, considering he only went 1-for-9 in 05/06 and was MUCH better the next two years, it's not as if he can't have a good year on the shootout this year just because he had a terrible one last year. He's already proven that he can suck at the shootout one season and be really good at it in each of the next two seasons. It's just the nature of the shootout - it's hard to be consistent at it year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baalzamon Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 How many of Iginla's shootout goals were winners?? I believe he had several in 06/07--he and Kipper were the reasons we didn't flop that year in the SO. I'm asking because I'm too lazy (and poorly informed--I wouldn't know where to start looking) to look up the stat myself. It appears that Sutter has finalized his first three shooters--Dawes, Iginla, and Jokinen. Who should be the next few shooters IYO?? As far as I'm concerned, they should be Boyd, Glencross, Nystrom, and Sjostrom in no particular order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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