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That's kind of what I was alluding to. MAF holds some of the cards because JR painted himself into a corner. He's lived there for many many years. WHy would he want to move just to make it easy for the GM. Even being painted into a corner, he can still come out ahead. Could make a deal with Vegas not to take one of their other prized players. Trade Murray for a ton. Much easier deal to make.
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Either he waives his NMC to be claimed for nothing or he gets traded elsewhere or stays. I don't get how the PENS would have a deal in place for a trade to LV. If you mean they have an agreement that they will expose MAF and LV will choose MAF, that is different. How does MAF benefit in that scenario?
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Forget who they got for the trade. Horvat? Luongo was a DiPietro style deal in the days of the 12 year deals. I don't think VAN was smart to trade Schneider. Let's face it, JR had the chance to trade MAF to CGY in the summer and held out for too much. I can't say in any certainty there will be teams lining up for him in early June, or late May of Ottawa burns them. JR has some choices if there are no takers, but none of them are good. Buy out MAF. Offer LV a lot not to take Murray. Convince MAF to go to Vegas. Or trade Murray.
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An extreme example, but the point is we are speculating. They may not trade MAF. The reasons would be unknown. They may decide that keeping MAF makes the most sense to them and go for a sizeable return from a Murray trade. It may not make sense to you, but GM's also have a bigger picture to look at.
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Just need to point out the the only way he ends up in Vegas is if he waives his NMC. The rest is just you speculating, since the landscape changes rapidly. Dallas was in the market. Carolina was in the market. JR blew off the Flames last summer, or maybe it was BT that did that. If MAF craps the bed in this round, do you think those "deals in his drawer" still exist? If Murray ends up replacing MAF and craps the bed, do you think they still deal MAF? BT has said that many deal take a long time, but the final deal can happen pretty fast. You can call it a framework, but really its just the start of the discussions. The original an final deals don't always resemble each other. Or the deal never happens. We heard a lot about the Bishop trade that didn't happen. The sticking point may have been the 6th overall that was going to be Tkachuk.
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Why not just ask Montreal for Price. Send them Backlund and our 1st. Add Gillies. Then they can turn around and trade a 3rd for MAF.
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I'm not sure I agree that the list is wide open. You did a reasonable job of speculating where he would agree to. Of that list, which teams would want him? Of that smaller list, which teams could take him on and not be in the same boat at PITTS? Calgary, and that is assuming he would accept a trade here. The thing you may be ignoring is that whatever team he is traded to possibly still has a high-priced goalie and backup under contract. So then they protect MAF but still get stuck with a Luongo or Miller. So really, it's Calgary or Vegas.
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You go ahead. You keep selling your idea here. I'm out.
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What's the difference? He can only reject the 12 teams. He could end up in a non-contender's barn because being the only trade available. Or he could go to a new team with the chance of getting a really decent extension. He won't if he stays.
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First bolded item - if he drags the team to another cup, then his price goes up. I don't think his value is higher, but PITSS would believe so. If they can't find a team on the list to take him, they will have to trade Murray. That price would be so much higher. Second bolded item - obviously, since they have at minimum 48 hours if they go to the finals and take it past 6 games. Third bolded item - that's like saying Boston would trade with EDM after Chia was signed there. Can't recall any trades there. Not picking on you, but I could only see Buffalo trading Lehner if they feel his injury history is too risky. He's a perfect goalie for them otherwise; played well on a bad team.
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The window would be very short to do that. Like a couple of days if PITTS goes to the final. The list of protected players is due on the 17th. MAF trade will come down to the wire, and like I said Buffalo would be on his list of no-go cities. Speculation, but not exactly a team trending towards the cup. To summarize: Buffalo pays a high price for MAF in trade. Buffalo trades rights to Lehner for no better than a 3rd. They have upgraded their goaltending, but at what cost. The logistics is the difficult part of any three team deals. CGY would just as likely be in on MAF, so Buffalo wouldn't have any deal in place with CGY until after Buffalo closes the deal. If MAF doesn't go, they would have to have a goalie signed to have one to protect. I just don't think this is even remotely likely. I'm no GM, but I think the risk is way higher than the reward. Buffalo has a team a few years away from being a playoff team, so trading for MAF doesn't fit. They would be better off sticking with what they had and developing a prospect goalie over the next 3-5 years.
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Inside track? MAF has a no trade list, and BUFF would be the last place he would go. To humour your trade idea, how does Buffalo trade for a goalie and still have Lehner available for trade to CGY? Buffalo would have to make Lehner available to LV. He would be one of the better options for LV. So he's gone for nothing. No benefit to BUFF at all, other than trading assets for a goalie and losing another goalie for nothing.
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I don't get that line of thinking. There is no benefit to PITTS to make the trade, as they would lose Lehner for nothing.
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If you think that bringing in a 37 year old goalie that played for the last 3 years on a losing team is smart, then go ahead. I would take chances on Smith long before I would ever sign Miller.
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Before the Nucks, he was brought in to help the Blues. That didn't work. He's going on 37 and the last time he had success in the playoffs was 6 years ago. Success as in a decent SA%. I'm not sure how he would be an upgrade in the playoffs to Elliott.
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Thanks to signing Grossmann, we couldn't get him. Actually Grossmann salary was a direct fit for the cap, allowing us to use all of Smid's IR. He's still young by defense standards, but I think that ship has sailed. I thought he could become a good depth guy, but we never game him enough minutes to properly evaluate him.
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Good ole Nak. Nakladal. Played 3 with the Canes, then off to Russia (KHL).
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If you consider the playoffs as a reason to get a certain goalie, why would you ever consider Miller? From your list as a possible starter here, I would say that MAF, Mzarek, Grubauer are all possibles. Would add Raanta. If the Flames go with one of the backups turned starters, then we also sign Elliott (or equivalent) in FA.
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Yeah, my best guess is probably the same. I would like to see those guys in the NHL, but it doesn't mean they are ready. In that light, I think signing guys like Stone and Franson (just examples) would still give us 1-2 spots to bring in prospects. We kinda know what Bart brings and Engelland is serviceable (not the direction I want to go in), so I believe we should be looking for better NHL level guys. Bart could be a benefit to the AHL club as well as a injury replacement. I've never really been on the Kulak train, but I would like to graduate at least one of Andersson or someone else this year.
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I think we have to build our own model of development. The pipeline keeps getting plugged up with FA signings or marginal NHL players in the roster. I suggest guys like AOM and Falkowsky because they were later picks and high reward types. At some point you need to give them a trial and see if you have anything there at a higher level. Gems appear every year, and we just don't know what these guys are at the NHL level, because we bury them in the minors. Maybe we have a Schenn or a Paryanko in the making, but will never know if we don't give them a shot. If your top 4D is made up of really good players, then you have the luxury of auditioning guys with a high reward possibility. Don't want to be like EDM where you have only 2 of those guys.
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Wishful thinking really. I like him as a player for this team because he is big, tough, and can play a shutdown game. He didn't get much time in the AHL, but I think he could surprise people. Another guy that plays a big game (an has offense) s Falkowsky. Had a good season in the ECHL. Yeah, I know, the ECHL. I'm just thinking of the type of D-man we could use here.
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Get tired typng his name. Adam Ollas-Mattsson. Too many consonants.
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Maybe we just need to trade for Larkin. The best he ever played was with Hudler, when Hudler was able to hit the net. Brouwer was never a good fit on 5v5. Ferland looked good on the rush or picking up loose pucks, but his LHS seemed to impact him. Maybe he felt he should look for the pass first. The options for using JH are Monahan or Backlund's lines. He didn't look that comfortable with Bennett. Maybe having JH and Tkachuk switch spots would work, but I was kind of hoping to see a line of Tkachuk-Bennett-Lazar.
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My bigger concern is that we are waiting for one of the teams still playing (PITTS, WASH), and that the guy we want team plays until early June. If the deal doesn't go through, then we would have missed out on one of the teams not playing right now (DET, CBJ, NYR). I don't play a good game of chicken.
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Monahan struggles when JH gets boxed out and can't make sublime passes. JH struggles when the line can't finish. Overall, this season it took a long time for the pair to get going. Have to think back to their early RW, but it was a blur of Brouwer, Chaisson and a couple others. It's hard to look at the stats for the last three years and say they don't click. I never expected Monahan to be a 80 point guy. Yet, he manages to score 31, 27, and 27 goals once JH arrived. JH missed 10 games and still lead the team. First season he started tearing it up when he was played with Hudler and Monahan. Sounds like that is a pairing that works to me. I tend to agree with your criticism (as such) of the defense, but don't think there is an easy fix. If we could swing it, I would bring in Stone and Franson. Promote AOM. Let Stone and Franson's play determine where they best fit. AOM provides a shutdown guy that is big. Or just Stone or Franson and bring in Andersson and AOM/Kulak/Healey. If they do sign Stone, it had better be for less than $4m current salary. Same for Franson; has to be close to $3.3m.
