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11 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
It was painfully obvious that we needed a 2C. We have two top 6 capable players that could be ready eventually. The timeline isn't obvious, though. We have three C's that are ready today and we can bring in the new guys as needed to "learn" the NHL game under the vets. Not being forced to play a top 6 spot. If they are ready, fine. If not we have plan A available.
BT still has some work to do. Figuring out how to best juggle 10 D. Deciding what is more pressing, a top 6 winger or having three top 4 D for LD. Finding the balance so that Sutter doesn't have to use Lucic unless that is what works. Same for Lewis and Rooney, who are really specialists. Rooney better on the PK. Lewis a good forechecker and lesser leader. TBH, we have more than a couple of cup winners. The leaders on the ice. The big hit guy is still here and can be used to turn around a game, if we need that.
As much as I pencil in Pelletier and Ruzie, it will depend on how they show up in camp. Pelts is going to do everything he can and not play just the role as the filler prospect on a line. Ruzie needs to show up jacked and ready to play. They all have to be ready to excel in a spot that is not the norm for them. Winger or defensive mover. Whatever.
BT is not gonna count on Pelletier and Ruzie at this point, too much uncertainty. If he has made such gamble short-term, the win is now. He will get top 6 forward for sure, the question is what do we need to give up, most likely D. I don’t think he will touch another forward, we don’t have enough forward at this point.
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Huberdeau said "I am open to it"... when he asked about long term deal with Calgary. Then he said, at the end of the day it's not my decision to make, it's GM and my agent... Now we all know it's his decision at the end. But I can also sense if the money is extremely good, he probably will consider. Given Flames has the cap space, and Flames should pay him well if they are seriously thinking retain him. Unlike Tkachuk, money is not enough for him, because he is just dying to get out here. This is the real reason why both Johnny and Tkachuk didn't win anything here as a flames, because winning the cup here is not their number 1 thing in their heart.
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58 minutes ago, MP5029 said:
Mmm how’s TB gonna get under the cap?
I Wonder if the good old Cgy boy Brayden Point could be had? He’s $$ at 9.5 per but solves the RW issue…
I wonder if Hanifin+ (Wouldn’t solve it but would help TB cut the cap
overage in 1/2)
or Kylington + Valimaki + (would Cryptography the cap overage by a lot)
something has to give in TB they are way far over the cap so they are gonna need to
do Something, they can’t rely on LTIR every year, they are gonna need to move either a huge salary out….Or many smaller ones out…I think one larger one makes the most sense…Point is one of the few without a NMC/NTC clause of Any kind is
why I mentioned it.
in any case, it’s gonna be a low return formTB even if it’s a player like Point with a crazy high salary
We can talk as much as we want about JH, but we are still not gonna win playoff round if we don’t fix the bottom 6. We can’t rely only our top line to score. So this off season is super important because I don’t think our lines are fixed yet. If Monahan somehow come back half of his best games, then we maybe enough to compete in this division. Otherwise we still need some forwards to help this group, JH is not enough to win your playoff.
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Just now, travel_dude said:
Okay, so some perspective is required.
By losing Gaudreau, Tkachuk drops about 30 points including about 20 goals.
Tkachuk got 104 points by playing with Gaudreau and Lindholm.
Gaudreau without Tkachuk is between 65 and 85 points.
yeah, but you are still not solving any problems. In fact, if our top line stop scoring, we would be in trouble last season. Now even with JH, we are about 100 points less than last season. So BT must address that, 3rd line forward is not enough to fit it.
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1 minute ago, travel_dude said:
Who did Hubie have in FLA as a C?
Bennett then Giroux?
Now replace Bennett with Lindholm.
Is sky the limit?
Do you know if we scored 100 points less last season, would we able get into playoff? So how can we be any better? The math doesn't add up.
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Just now, conundrumed said:
Take heart in the fact that Tkachuk is pretty overrated by the looks of this deal.
Huberdeau is better than both JG and Tkachuk. We got the best player.
You can't replace 200+ points with JH. Calgary has cap space now, get a decent RW through trade, and making JH happy on the top line.
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1 minute ago, conundrumed said:
Really if we lump Huberdeau, JG & Tkachuk together, who's the best player?
Huberdeau is. Shouldn't be a debate. Adding Weegar solidifies the top 4D. I think we're all a little downtrodden and kicked around about how it has gone, but this is the best news ever.
We've just grown unaccustomed to good news.
Seriously, this is the best news ever? Your two best players just told you that none of them want to play for this team. Do you know how difficult is has been for this organization for the players here or the ones coming? It has never happened in Calgary.
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1 minute ago, bosn111 said:
Just being from Quebec doesn’t mean he wants to play for Montreal. Just because Dubois wants to, doesn’t mean Huberdeau does. I have seen nothing where he made that statement. Making assumptions based only on where they are from with no other evidence makes no sense. Fox, Gaudreau and Tkachuk had all made statements about family and home on multiple occasions. Huberdeau has not talked about the Habs to my knowledge.
What facts do you have suggesting he will stay here. Its same 50/50% chance, that's what BT facing now. Obviously he is gonna thinking over this, it's not like he is gonna sign 10.5x8 right away.
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4 minutes ago, FueltheFlames1075 said:
And Gaudreau is from New Jersey, yet he chose Columbus over NJ.🤔
Honestly I wish JH can sign here, just give him Gaudreau contract. But I also don't know how can you guys have so much confidence after you just lose not one but two of your best players at the same time.
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2 minutes ago, FueltheFlames1075 said:
And Gaudreau is from New Jersey, yet he chose Columbus over NJ.🤔
Because only Columbus can afford him. NJ is out of the game.
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2 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
I see. So a player that wanted to play in FLA for his career and was traded now wants to go to MTL.
He won't stay unless we have cup winning potential, yet he is willing to go to MTL and not even be close?
There were other options.
Kyrou or Bratt or Hischier or Robertson.
BT didn't want to prolong it and got what he thinks will be the best two players currently available.
You don't do that to just turn around and trade them.
It's an option, but the two players make us a better team.
There is really no other options on the table, FLA had best asset and BT has to take it even it's UFA. BT is not going to rebuild now, otherwise he lose his job. He must come up with a winning team. By getting JH and Weegar, Flames has a chance to get into playoff this year. This is the reason he hired Sutter for Stanley Cup not for rebuild. Just think about this, if you are BT, you know that your job is on the line. If you go rebuild now, you are gonna lose your job right away. By losing your 2 top stars is just too much for the city and this organization. If you savage this season, you might get chance to continue your job. Doesn't matter what BT does, rebuild has nothing to do with him, it won't be his job. His job is to win now, and this is the last year left as most players are UFA 2023 or 2024.
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1 minute ago, bosn111 said:
Where is there anything that says Huberdeau wants to go to Montreal? The unhappiness is only that his long time tenure and loyalty to Florida ended with his quick trade from the team without any notice that him being traded was even possible. It is the lack of communication from Florida that annoyed him, nothing at all to do with Calgary.
JH is from Quebec.
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2 hours ago, phoenix66 said:
That is one thing Tre mentioned in his presser that I fully back him on.. Calgary has nothing to apologize for . We have a history of treating our players like people and with respect .
We don't fire our coaches on FaceTime. We don't dump our franchise faces and let them hear it first on Twitter.
Even Gio was in the loop from the start of the season that being exposed might happen .and they were honest that the return to keep him was too high .
We've maintained Burke's rule that the entire month of December is a no trade zone , not just the week the league mandates ..
We were one of the first franchises to demand our players be active in the community ..
I remember an interview with Perry Berezan, when he was traded to Minnesota (stars at that time )..first thing he asked was where he signs up for the community projects and they had no clue what he was talking about.. he just assumed every team did it ..
So while we may be mad that BT didn't press Johnny for deadline and gave him too much runway(me included) , on the flipside admittedly that wouid have been very Un-Calgary like.. this time we got burned .. but Chucky returned the favor ..
Seemed like a total shot at Johnny in his interview when he said " I could have done it differently..kept it to myself and just signed the QO" ..
On top of that you also have Sutter. Players usually good under him first couple years, but gets tired after awhile.
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5 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
We have to consider more than just a few things.
Pelletier and Ruzicka are middle 6 or more accurately 3rd liners.
Rozie has only ever player C and looked out of place on LW.
Pelletier is likely too good to play in the AHL this year.
Monahan and Lucic are luxuries we don't need this year.
Monahan is not a top 9 player anymore on this team.
Lucic is awesome at hitting (one big hit per game) and is best fighter in the league perhaps.
We don't need that protection as much now.
Tkachuk used to cause some of those fights and anyone touching JH needed a tune up.
We don't really have a spot on this team for Phillips when we are healthy.
He's like Yamamoto, without NHL experience.
Both players too small to take hits.
Both players are driven to be near the net.
We are not balanced yet at forward.
Have one top 6 RW and Mange to possibly play there.
Backlund is a great defensive C, but doesn't add a lot of scoring, and we can't play Mangiapane with him now.
3rd ine consists of Dube.
Monahan is currently broken.
4th line consists of Gilbert and Rooney and a player fighting to keep up.
We have to sign a C or a really good RW.
A C pushes down Backlund to create a 2nd scoring line, but we still lack a true RW.
The D situation is rags to riches.
A top LD/RD like Weeger.
A top RD in Ras and a possible top LD or 2nd pair LD in Hanifin.
A 2nd pairing puck mover in Kyl, but seems to be discounted as low value asset.
And not good enought o play 2nd pair even though he put up 9 goals and 31 points.
Rock steady Tanev.
Mean motha Zaddy, who has his mements and is brutal to play against at times.
Meloche who I admit knowing little about, but I thought he was okay in seeing him play.
Valimaki, who hasn't hit his stride in the NHL and rough season in the AHL.
Mackey, who had an incredible AHL season, but only looked serviceable in the NHL so far.
Gilbert, who is a tweener.
If we want a C not named Barzal, we have to consider moving Valimaki and Dube.
We could sign Rodrigues to fill the void or use him as a winger.
Agree, we had good top 6 for now, not great, but good. However our bottom 2 lines are still horrible or worse than last year. Little bit too rich on defense and we can't afford it in longer term. So it make sense to trade some D to upgrade Top 6 or 3rd line. Between the 2, I rather BT upgrade Top 6 and go for it this year. Go big or go home.
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36 minutes ago, travel_dude said:
He's older? You mean that he was born June 4/93 and Gaudreau August 13/93 and is 2 months older?
Perhaps they can't get both players re-signed, but they must have some idea of the asking price.
You don't make a trade of a player for two pieces you have to trade.
It was the best deal they could get, assuming they can be re-signed.
Equal or better winger than Tkachuk.
Better D than we have on the 2nd pair at the very least.
Trade them, don't trade them, but don't assume we brought in a top winger in the NHL just to turn around and ship him out.
Bring in JH is the best option BT had, and it a best trade and the only trade. BT doesn't have lot of options here and he doesn't know if he can re-sign them. However you have to realize that JH is pretty unhappy right now how this things played out. So it will be difficult to resign him unless we have Stanley Cup potential, otherwise he can finally go to Montreal after this year.
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1 hour ago, phoenix66 said:
All very good points .. I do agree I'd love to have Barzal.. just keep in the mind he's in the same boat.. final year of his deal, granted he's RFA, but it takes a QO of $10m just to qualify him.. but he is worth it I agree .
I laugh when people bring in Huberdeau's age . He's the same age as Johnny by 2 months..but nobody brought up his age when we were offering $10.5x8
Currently I view the trade as this ..
We gave up one year of Tkachuk.. for one-year of Huberdeau and Weegert.. going into a season where were trying to improve on a division winning season where we were betting favourites to make the final.. we're arguably a better team right at this moment than the last game we played ..right now we are already assured of icing a team that can run it back without excuses
Resigning Huberdeau alone changes this from a win , to a fleecing with a xxx rating sign them both and Zitos not Walking for a week.
For me the only way I trade him unsigned is if at TDL we're disappointing..or if we find out right now he has no intention
But in terms of Barzal, it will likely take more than Monahan.. but we do also have a glut of young D that could be weaponized..even Dube seems like a Lou type of player .
I shouid add too.. by no means does losing tkachuk not lessen the right side.. but I think Mange on that side could fill in better than people think.. my original concern was we needed a playmaker on that line to feed Lindholm his happy place shots .but Huberdeau just fixed that.. he's an agitator like Chucky.. he does the dirty corner work and net front like Chucky..and he's a finisher like Chucky.. I think he'd get 40 too
Forget about Monahan, if we could move him, we have already done so.
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On 7/23/2022 at 1:39 PM, robrob74 said:
Which could mean trade then sign KadriWe will most likely in rebuild mode after this season as most players' contract end in 2023 or 2024. If we sign Kadri for 7 years, that will be biggest mistake we ever made after Gaudreau. If you want to win this year, you don't sign free agents for long contract without knowing Huberdeau or Weegar future. You ship young asset maybe even draft picks to get top 6 forward, and you try to win. If you do, u might able to keep Huberdeau or Weegar. If you lose this season, I am pretty sure all the UFAs will be gone by end of the season, then what's the point to sign Kadri for 7 years with huge contract.
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17 hours ago, jjgallow said:
Everyone but me, and that's probably as good as it can ever get lol.
Doesn't change the Gaudreau situation in any way,
Both Huberdeau and Weegar are rentals on the verge of UFA, until BT can prove otherwise.
I'm willing to stand down for now. I'd actually have been more willing to apologize if he had acquired some of those New Jersey prospects people were discussing in here. You get 12 years out of them instead of 1 year.
Should he somehow extend contracts on both of them, and that 2025 first rounder turns into a top 10 pick, it might be enough that I'd forgive him for Gaudreau. Not apologize.
The more likely scenario is that we are in this exact same boat next year with two high-profile UFAs and this time no way to get full value in arbitration, and that 2025 first rounder doesn't do much. So, can't go as far as apologize. He still has a number of odds to defy, but willing to see how it plays out.
You really can't blame BT for Gaudreau and Tkachuk. If you didn't see this coming then you have been in Calgary for too long. Tkachuk wants to go somewhere like 3 years ago, and he is not that happy here. As for Gaudreau, he just doesn't like the pressure from the fans here. Maybe they made mistake by not naming Captain on this team. There is no soul in this team right now, no leadership, and no commitment. Look what Ottawa did for brother Tkachuk, they give him the responsibility. Anyway, BT did the best he can do for Tkachuk trade. It' not like what u think every team had good offers since everyone know you have no leverage. Even we lose Huberdeau and Weegar at end of the season, I still think we get 1st round and 2nd round coming back given their friendly contract. So that's Tkachuk for 2 1st round + 2nd round + prospect, not bad given so little team and so little time. As for Gaudreau if he thinks team first, we could end up got something in return. Thats why I think Tkachuk is pretty decent. If you have no plan to be here, don't waste time here and trying to help the organization little bit. As for BT, if he fail to sign Huberdeau by end of the season, he will be gone too. He won't be doing the rebuild, 8 years is longer enough for him to be GM here. So if I am him at this point, I go bold. I make a trade to bring top 6 forward and I go all the way trying to win something this year. It's do or die situation here, either way he is probably gone.
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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:
I don't think it's that big an issue next year.
No $11M for Monahan and Lucic.
He has to be willing to sign or he's unfortunately trade bait.
Weegar probably demand 6M x 5, I am not sure Calgary can afford to spend so much money on D without shipping someone out.
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13 hours ago, travel_dude said:
Argg, we are now already talking about trading the guy? Yeah, I know it's a response to JJ.
You suggested re-signing for 12.5 x 8?
Were you meaning JH and MW?
Or just JH?
Tkachuk, assuming we signed him (not arbitration award) to one year for the purpose of trading him...
Trading him in pre-season, mid-season or TDL, it's a tough trade.
Pending UFA with not a great playoff history.
And he only has value if he puts up great numbers.
That's not guaranteed now.
Huberdeau, at 5.9M is far more attractive.
My first choice is to lock up Hiberdeau.
Weeger really depends on his fit.
As a TDL trade, he could get a 1st, a prospect and a roster player.
Think Hampus Lindholm trade.
No way I will pay Huberdeau more than Gaudreau and he is older too. 9.5 to 10M for Huberdeau is reasonable. Half million more is not gonna change those players mind if they don't want to stay here. Both Hubereau and Weegar will have good return, probably couple first rounds. This was BT plan, if doesn't work out we go rebuild, its' just won't be him doing it. It's not like he has many choices when he was trading Tkachuk, it was the best deal he can get and he knows the risk.
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On 7/23/2022 at 3:17 PM, 420since1974 said:
Huberdeau is a stud that will replace Gaudreau fairly easily.
My prediction for next season's lineup:
Huberdeau (LW) - Lindholm (C/RW) - Toffoli (RW/LW) - This should bump Toffoli's stats in case they want to trade him at the TDL.
Mangiapane (LW/RW) - Backlund (C) - Coleman (LW/RW)
Dube (LW/C/RW) - Monahan (C) - Rooney (LW/C/RW)
Lucic (LW) - Ruzicka (C/RW) - Lewis (RW) (both Lucic and Lewis can take face-offs on occasion)
Phillips (C/RW) - has to clear waivers, so I think that he will be the 13th forward.
Obviously, I am assuming that Monahan recovers near fully from his last hip injury and can play to at least 3C level.
I'm not including Duehr (RW) on the roster as he is still waiver exempt.
Hanafin (LD) - Andersson (RD)
Zadorov (LD/RD) - Weeger (RD)
Kylington (LD/RD) - Tanev (RD) (This gives Tanev less minutes so less chance of injury).
Valamaki (LD) or MacKey (LD) - Meloche (RD)
Valimaki and MacKey both need to clear waivers, so I expect that one of them will be traded for a draft pick.
Markstrom
Vladar
Our 3rd line and 4th line looks horrible. They need somebody on top 6 or they really need to fix the bottom 6.
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2 hours ago, JTech780 said:
His value is pretty close to Tkachuk, he is a center, one of the bekaters in the league, and he drives offense. He will cost a fair amount.Whatever we have now is not enough to keep Huberdeau here in Calgary. We need to have a serious Stanly Cup contender team in order for players to stay in Calgary because this is the only reason why players will stay here now. Calgary is really look like Winnipeg right now, by losing both Gaudreau and Tkachuk really hurts the image. No kidding, this looks really bad right now. BT knows this year is not the time for rebuild, he might as well go bold. If things doesn't work out, he won't be the one doing rebuild anyway. He is trying to savage this season an going for playoff. But we lost 200+ points by adding back only 100, not enough in this league. You need someone to play with Huberdeau, he got the cap space, and he needs to make another trade because I just don't see any free agents want to come to Calgary now given so much uncertainty.
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4 hours ago, Thebrewcrew said:
I like the idea of Kylington for Puljujarvi. Not sure if EDM would though.
There is no way Edmonton will trade Puljujarvi to Calgary, don't even think about it. Same as Calgary won't ship anyone has potential to Edmonton either.
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4 hours ago, travel_dude said:
JT, I have no problem with Kadri, but that's an expensive long term deal.
It may put us back in contender status, since right now we are still a few men down.
There is nothing but salary in the deal, but we have to be ready to pay Hubie.
Next year sot so much an inssue, but it's nice to have cap.
Not for TDL buying but taking crap for prospects and picks.
If we signed Kadri, there isn't really room this year for Monahan and Lucic.
Rodrigues is intriguing.
He's potential 2C unless we want to use him as a RW.
Thinking ahead, perhaps Pelletier-ER-Toffoli
Third line Coleman-Backlund-Dube
Fourth line LW-Rozie/Rooney-Lewis
If we can't get the lineup we want in UFA signings, then we need to consider trades.
Hanifin or Kylington + Dube for Barzal?
Barzal means we don't need that playmaker on the 2nd line.
Keep in mind, we are still have some issues right now. Players will think twice come to Calgary, so don't expect Kadri sign here. He didn't want to come last time, why he wants to do it now? It's pretty bad moment right now. In addition, after hearing BT interview, I can sense he hasn't talk to Huberdeau or Weegar about contract yet. There is a good amount probability they won't resign here either. As I said, for the time being, I don't think many players want to play in Calgary right now given you just lost your two best players. However I thank Matthew at least being honest to help out the organization at the end.
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The biggest problem is that no players want to come to Calgary right now through free agent market. Also Calgary probably is the number 1 no trade destination for lot of players. In that regard, you don’t have much to play with it. So unless we fix this culture problem, this organisation is going no where. They just refuse to rebuild, that’s the biggest mistake for this organisation. I don’t think anybody new here is gonna making any difference, it’s still the old blood.