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Time to put to bed the notion that Calgary was the issue with Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Fox. I never want to hear that garbage again, personally. Sure we may have to pay more due to taxes and climate, but I don’t think it had this huge effect.
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1 hour ago, jjgallow said:
Absolutely that is plan A and what I hope for. But it is difficult for me to focus on a scenario with a 10% chance of success. When the regular season starts I'll enjoy it for what it is and cheer the guys on. Right up to the trade deadline.
I mean, we've been through this with how many players now...Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Fox, you can't....really expect a different outcome, there was obviously a reason why these players were given up. But I would be More than happy to be proven wrong, and I said that with both Gaudreau and Tkachuk and Fox, the door is always open for BT to prove everyone wrong, of course. He signs these guys to decent contracts and, well, he may very well have avoided a rebuild (although Gaudreau is still a huge loss). Yes of course that would be nice but I can't realistically pretend like we have some kind of leverage which would lead to such an outcome.
My question would be, how do you know it’s a 10% chance? This isn’t to be rude, but do you have a personal connection to these players? If not, you are stating something like it’s fact, even though it’s not.
if you’re going to point to Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Fox, you have to recognize the fact that they’re all American. They all went back “home” in a variety of ways. Why is it impossible to believe that Canadian players would want to do the same? And I don’t buy into this idea that the Flames are as far off of being a contender as you think. That’s just my optimistic opinion though.
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Just now, crazyflames said:
Because only Columbus can afford him. NJ is out of the game.
You should probably check your facts before you start stating your opinion, as if it is fact. NJ reportedly offered him more than Columbus, and he still chose Columbus.
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8 minutes ago, crazyflames said:
JH is from Quebec.
And Gaudreau is from New Jersey, yet he chose Columbus over NJ.🤔
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2 hours ago, MP5029 said:
I’d say at this point, the key is yes absolutely try and get Hubie signed, but it’s gonna be $$$$ and keep in mind he’s 30 this year that’s something else to consider. But definitely the main priority for BT is get him And Manji and our new D signed and also Kylington signed.
A small point here, and it only makes a bit of difference. But Huberdeau does not turn 30 this year. He just turned 29 on June 4th.
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1 hour ago, cross16 said:
you will want to fact check that.That’s my bad. I was actually asking this from a truly open minded standpoint. I thought I read the laws a while back, and read them as I had posted them. I was wondering from a genuinely concerned standpoint.
Good to know, and it helps shed light on the situation for me personally.
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18 minutes ago, sak22 said:
Sex wasn't the issue. Sharing pictures of the act without her consent is the crime. Does he deserve his life ruined over it? No, but I'm fine with setting some example to try and defer this behavior, time to end the boys will be boys mentality and encourage boys to make better decisions.
I understand that that’s not the issue that’s being talked about, but you missed my point entirely.
This is a perfect example of what may be disturbing about this whole mess. Because of the world we live in today, and the double standard, are we so focused on the wrong doing of Mailloux that we are missing the possible fact that an 18 year old woman had sex with an underage 17 year old guy? It doesn’t matter if it was consensual or that it’s only a 1 year age gap. It’s considered sex with an underage minor, which I believe is rape under the laws in Canada at least. Someone correct me if I’m wrong on anything.
I am not arguing with if the kid should be punished. He absolutely should, and I am in the boat that he should not have been drafted this year. It was a bad move by Montreal. If we’re punishing one crime though (the photos), which we should, then we need to punish the other crime too.
Edit: And I disagree with the fact that this is a “boys will be boys issue”. I have seen multiple situations where women share intimate photos with their friends, without the guys consent. It happens all of the time, both ways. It’s unfortunate, but true.
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2 hours ago, jjgallow said:
Yup.
You know, though..... I'm going to say what many are thinking, it's kind of my role.
It was a stupid thing for him to do and it was not fair to that girl and behaviour like this really is unacceptable. I don't think any of this can be disputed.
But. A little perspective.
We've come a long ways since Calgary won a cup with an accused child molester.
It was consensual sex and I think we will see the video was consensual too. He's not the first human to produce or watch or share normal adult porn.
In the press, the girl said the "only thing she ever wanted was an apology" but the thing is she got that right away so... the things she said away from the press are probably more accurate: "I want to ruin this guy's career". I don't think she's a bad person either, she's not out for money, but she is pissed at him and has chosen to be malicious about it because she knows she has the power to even the score. And that's probably a good and fair thing.
Without a doubt, this guy has received more negativity than she ever will in her life. And rightfully so.
But does an 18 year old kid become unsalvagable because the media says so?
How many players would be left in the NHL if we removed every guy that shared a sex pic and identified the girl with his buddies?
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In female sports.... if we removed every female who shared with her friends the identify of who she was sleeping with....would there be any women left in sport?
My guess is this guy Will realize he made a mistake and Will rectifiy it and Will give back to the community. The bigger question is if he has the skills to make it to the NHL.
I completely agree with this post. Of course what the kid did was a terrible thing, and he should be punished for it. The rest of this post holds true as well though.
For me though there is a far more disturbing, while fascinating, issue at play here. I don’t know the laws in Sweden, so this may be moot. At the time of the consensual sex in question, it is my understanding that this woman was 18 and Mailloux was 17. Does anyone know if this is true? If so, in Canada that’s considered sex with an underage minor, and a criminal act regardless if the sex is consensual. If this is true, it shows a complete double standard that is very very troubling.
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I’ll be very interested to see if any of the Oilers players or ex-players who decided to spout off about the code, and what is “right” after the Tkachuk hits/non fight, will take the time to condemn this incident like they were so happy to do in the media before.
If they do not, then it sure paints them as giant hypocrites. Guys like Kevin Bieksa, Ryan Kessler and others, who had no issues with throwing their two cents out there, better be at the forefront once again.
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2 hours ago, travel_dude said:
When you think about it....
We signed Neal to be top 6.
He played bottom 6.
We traded for a guy that was barely top 6 in the Oilers.
For this to make any sense, he has to play top 6 here.
In other words, he has to replace Frolik for this to make sense.
He won't.
This logic doesn’t make sense. I think we all can agree that Neal wasn’t going to play top 6 this year, in Calgary. He didn’t fit in the bottom 6 with his style, so we had no where to play him. So instead of paying Neal $5.75M to play in a bottom 6 role that he wouldn’t fit in, we pay Lucic $5.25M to play a bottom 6 role that he will fit in to.
I agree it’s too much money to pay a bottom 6 guy, but we were going to be doing it either way. At least we have a better fit this way, and for $500,000 cheaper.
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1 minute ago, travel_dude said:
I hate to say it, but it's very possible that once Gillies is sent to the AHL, the Russian may the first injury call up.
Gillies is subject to waivers this year.
He won't be called up for injury replacement anytime after the start of November.
You know they would like to get a read on Parsons and Zagidulin, depending on how they look this fall.
You are right. Gillies is in make or break land.
Pity he didn;t have any games this last year.
Blame the coach, goalie coach and GM for that.
Or maybe the blame lays with him for not pushing to make them give him games.
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So who makes out better here? Calgary or Edmonton?
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I have heard that Mike Smith is headed to the Oilers.
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Wow, this is truly a shock. I am not one of the huge posters here, however I am always on and reading others opinions. FF52 was definitely a great poster and you could tell that he was a great person as well.
Rest in peace Larry, and hopefully we all can carry on his legacy on here, in some way.
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3 hours ago, travel_dude said:
Thought you might enjoy this perspective. While I don't agree with her at times, she does make a good points about "half measures".
https://flamesnation.ca/2017/06/17/the-flames-are-a-team-of-half-measures/
This article is flawed in a couple of ways, with one more directly connected and the other indirectly connected.
The direct connection is that it ignores any and all variables. It ignores the fact that Elliott and Raanta both played on far superior teams to Smith over the last several seasons. Judging based on the teams they played for, it would seem that more often than not Smith was the reason that his team won, where the same cannot be said as often for Elliott or Raanta. The fact is that any of these three, or other goalies, could be products of their environments or maybe it's the other way around. The only way to know with certainty is to see them on either a weaker team or a better team in the case of Smith. I understand the angst that comes with Smith's age as well, but each player is different and we won't know if he is in decline until we see how he does behind what should be a better team in Calgary. Is he better than Elliott or not, which is a question that the numbers on the surface would suggest not. Again this may or may not be related to the teams each player played for. Let's wait and see. It's no bigger risk in my opinion than taking a gamble on whether Raanta or Grubauer's numbers were because of them or because of their team.
Indirectly this is ironic because this same writer did an article a week ago, questioning whether the Flames were giving their own homegrown prospects a chance to play. They then make a move that signals that they are putting faith in their own prospect goalies, and it's called a half measure. Does that not seem just a little hypocritical to everyone?
Is it an expensive price to pay for Smith. That also depends on some variables that we won't know for awhile, or may never know. Would Hickey have signed here? What will that 2nd/3rd have been drafted as or traded for? What would the 3rd round pick that we theoretically could have gotten for Hickey, have turned out to be? Again these are things that can change the look of this trade. What we do know is that the cost of Raanta or Grubauer would have more than likely been higher, due to age, and those trades could have easily crashed and burned.
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https://twitter.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/876168621604478976
Here is an interesting tweet from Steinberg.
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12 minutes ago, cross16 said:
Well considering I never said it was a guarantee, no im not suggesting that. You make it seem like Talbot was a massive gamble ala Scrivens of Fasth. I'm saying it was a much more calculated gamble than that. The expectation of Talbot was he was going to be a starter who cokld carry the load. That was not then expectation of trades like Scrivens and Fasth. I would argue giving up a pretty comparable package for a 35 year old smith is a bigger gamble than what the Oilers did with Talbot.
I guess if you think 1 blogger speaks for all the oilers ok. But anyway you look at it Talbot was pretty good his first year.
Despite my hypothetical, I would agree that Talbot was solid in his first season with the Oilers. My main point is you don't know how a trade will pan out until you know. It could go either way with Smith, the same way it could with Raanta or Grubauer.
I am not overly happy with the price, but what's done is done. BT will have to own up to the results of this trade if it goes bad. Let's hope that this does not happen and Smith provides us with great goaltending. Either way, it was a gamble.
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This is just an interesting thought that I had. I know that a lot of our members on this board wanted us to go out and get a Raanta or Grubauer (sp?), which would have been a "gamble" on an unproven backup. This is obviously what the Oilers did, and it worked out for them. There are cases where this type of gamble has worked out (ie. the Oilers), and cases where it hasn't.
My hypothetical is let's put the Oilers in the same spot as us, with the opportunity to trade for Talbot or Smith. Let's just say that that choice was in front of them in this offseason, instead of a couple of seasons ago, and after they made a playoff appearance. Does everyone think that they still would have traded for Talbot, or do you think that they would trade for the more proven commodity, to try and capitalize on the good team that they have?
Now I realize that there are a few different moving parts. Let's just base it on the teams being in similar spots and as a hypothetical. Thoughts?
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The question I have is, is Gillies going to be exempt from the draft or not? On General Fanager they show him as eligible and needing to be protected. If this is the case, do we really want MAF who will keep his NMC (can someone clarify if he keeps the NMC after waiving it for a trade?) and then have to be protected by us, thus exposing Gillies?
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2022 Offseason
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To me there is no way that you trade Andersson over Hanifin. I think they’re close in skill and what they bring to the team, so you have to factor in other things.
From what I can piece together, Hanifin was/is close with Tkachuk. Andersson fits in with our Swedish contingent. So why trade a guy way more likely to stay, after we’ve watched two American leave this summer? Why chance it?